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  •  was it really olive oil? (1+ / 0-)
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    Since he name-checked the movie "Stand By Me", it could conceiveably been cod liver oil. [snark]

    I'm at the junction of short, nerdy, and oddly attractive.

    by Pan Zareta on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:07:31 PM PDT

    •  More likely, Wesson oil. (5+ / 0-)

      The use of oil in neopente dominionist churches is...shall we say...rather unique among religious denominations.

      The theory is that it isn't the ingredients of the oil, but (for want of a better term) it is imbued with "intent" when used as essentially a "tagging" or "Territorial pissing" to mark something for "naming and claiming".  (This is why they don't bother to try to re-create the Biblical formula--not just because it'd cost as much to make as it does to buy a new Kia, but because it's used solely for tagging purposes and not in the traditional manner to bless--in fact, it's disturbingly common to see people using "annointing" as a specific form of hexing someone in the name of Christ.)

      By these logical and theological gymnastics, it's taught that if olive oil (not the aforementioned Biblical recipe--which was designed as something implicitly precious for the coronation of kings and the initiation of people to the priesthood, with olive oil being simply the carrier base for a number of aromatic oils--but just plain old Extra Virgin) isn't available that good old Canadian Oil, Low Acid--canola, of which Wesson oil is a popular brand--is perfectly acceptable.  An example from a Joel's Army/Joshua Generation church notes thusly:

      It also says to anoint the sick person with oil. Oil in the bible represents the Holy Spirit, and one of the gifts of the Spirit is the gift of healing.
      I will let you in on something that's sad but true. You can go to your neighborhood bible bookstore and buy a little tiny bottle of what they call anointing oil that has a pretty smell to it. But you will have to pay $5.00 and up even into the $100.00 if you are not careful. This is robbing or fleecing the flock of God and making money on what God's word says.
      In the church I go to there is a bottle of Wesson oil sitting up front that they use to anoint people. It may cost maybe $1.50, but you know what, it's not the oil that heals the person but the Lord.

      So why anoint with oil? Because it's a representation of the Holy Spirit working on the individual just as baptism does not save you, but represents your faith that you are saved and a new creation in Jesus Christ.

      •  It's magic (6+ / 0-)

        They would kill me for saying it to their faces, but the use of oil in these circumstances is a perfect example of the magical law of contagion (items in contact continue to remain in psychic/magical/spiritual contact afterwards). Physical objects that have been blessed/magically-charged transmit that energy to other items or people they touch.

        Every witchdoctor, medicinewoman, shaman, magician, and Wiccan in the world recognizes this kind of spell-casting. Which is yet another reason why the fundies want to kill all of us...

        First, oversight; second, investigations; third, impeachments; fourth, war crimes trials!

        by ibonewits on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:20:55 AM PDT

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        •  Yup. Definitely cursing. (3+ / 0-)

          It is ironically as a pagan that I realised that the "naming and claiming" practiced by these groups--which not only includes tagging territorial pissings "annointing" with oil but such things as writing someone's name on a piece of paper or holding one of their possessions and having multiple people pray over it that they become miserable and fail at everything unless and until they convert--as classical cursing.  (Ironically, they fail by their own theology--technically Christians are prohibited from cursing anyone or performing negative magicks--it's one of those things that are specifically listed as forbidden.)

          This is the kind of stuff that would be considered negative workings, as harmful magicks, as what would have been termed "poisoner magicks" (as opposed to "doctor magicks") in old cultures.  This would definitely qualify as something that at least some of my ancestors, of note, would have referred to as "sorcery"--and not in the positive sense, either, as opposed to "good medicine folk"--some of which used opposition magick to protect against people deliberately causing harm to another.

          •  And *especially* doing so in Jesus' name. (2+ / 0-)
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            Cathy Willey, ibonewits

            I ran across that little point in my Bible this morning at church.

            And there are enough groups that automatically include 'in Jesus' name, Amen' at the end of prayers (SBC member churches, yes I am looking at you) that a lot of "I'll pray for you [to be miserable until you see the light, convert, recognize that you are a heretic, etc]!" probably falls specifically under that much of the time.

            And yes, dogemperor, I did think of you and the fact that you are person I remember first seeing the comparison of magic and prayer/annointing from [sunfell on LJ being the second].

      •  I remember wondering very much about (1+ / 0-)
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        a particular shopper the last time Wesson was on really good sale at the local grocery store. She was not quite a little old lady, but getting there, with four of the really big bottles of the stuff in the shopping cart and not much else. I think my family might, might, use that much for cooking in a decade.

        •  maybe she was buying them (1+ / 0-)
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          to store in her bomb shelter for the day of the Final Battle. While hellfire rages, she'll be safe behind tons of concrete, cooking heart healthy fried chicken for God's warriors. [snark]

          OTOH: She just might have donated three of the bottles to the local food pantry. One can hope.

          I'm at the junction of short, nerdy, and oddly attractive.

          by Pan Zareta on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:59:46 AM PDT

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