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  •  You've become batshit crazy (8+ / 0-)

    in other words.

    I suggest that adults who willingly submit to this cerebral fornication are already batshit crazy.

    Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare. Some would say it has yet to occur on earth. ~Stephen Hawking

    by Executive Odor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:02:11 PM PDT

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    •  People don't necessarily *voluntarily* join. (14+ / 0-)

      Among other things, these groups use deceptive methods of recruitment (never, ever, ever revealing the Crazy Stuff until you're well into it), and these groups also typically practice something called "love-bombing"--smothering you with affection, hugs, etc. (Again, this is a common tactic among coercive groups.)

      In other words--thanks to the manipulative tactics used and especially due to people's (unfortunately, very false) perception that "Bible-based" groups "aren't like those Scientologist or Moonie whackos"--people often do not realise what the hell they have gotten themselves into until it's too late.  (Taibbi is probably unique here because he joined for the explicit purpose of infiltration, but even he began to be affected by many of the tactics used--and this was with pre-existing knowledge of the scripting of neopente services and whatnot!)

      Also--and this is something that, at least until Scientology and the Moonies had been around a while, was almost entirely exclusive to "Bible-based" coercive groups--there are people who are born into it.  (In the case of the neopente dominionist groups like Hagee's, you often have two and three generations of people who were completely raised in this; this has also been one of the factors that has hampered the investigation of possible abuses in the FLDS group in Texas, because many of the mothers and babies involved are third- and fourth-gen multigenerational group members who have been explicitly instructed to lie about even their identities to protect the group.)  To this day, the largest group of people who are multigenerational walkaways are escapees from neopentecostal dominionist groups (with multigenerational walkaways also coming in lesser amounts from Scientology and the Moonies).

      Also, there is an increasing population of people who did not choose to get involved but are forced into it anyways--as I've noted in my series on Teen Challenge, there is an increasing trend of people being committed involuntarily to "faith-based" rehabs run by neopente dominionist groups.  Teen Challenge itself uses many of the very tactics we will be discussing today and tomorrow (and Hagee's Cornerstone Church is an "Assemblies daughter" very, very close theologically to its "parent", so much so that it could be described as still in the process of "budding" from the Assemblies not unlike New Life Church in Colorado Springs); a program called InnerChange operated by Prison Fellowship Ministries also used almost the exact identical tactics (and ended up being shut down in Iowa by a US District Court decision in part because of the documented use of these tactics and no secular alternatives being available for rehab).

      •  Speaking of Co$, this passage looks... (11+ / 0-)

        ...suspiciously familiar.

        Some questions seem innocuous but aren't: "Are you currently seeing a counselor/therapist?" (Don't check "yes"; they'll try to perform an exorcism for the "spirit of psychiatry".) "Are you currently taking any prescription medications?" (As we'll detail in part 2, there was a massive "deliverance ministry" service at the end of the "Encounter Weekend"; it's likely that this and the previous four questions are being explicitly used to gather information as to what "demons" to "cast out".)

        Scientology also actively opposes psychiatry and prescription drugs, especially psych drugs.  So, did L. Ron borrow these memes from the Dominionists, come up with them independently, or are these just standard tools in the common manual of operations for coercive cults that both groups have latched onto?

        "Iraq: the bravest 1% fighting for the richest 1%." ~ An Unknown Kossack.

        by Neon Vincent on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:02:39 PM PDT

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      •  If you think about it (7+ / 0-)

        as I have, we in the USA are only three or four consecutive lifespans away from hardcore Puritanism. That's not even a heartbeat in human history.

        Seems to me there's a strong cult mentality that hasn't been thoroughly purged from American society yet. Our grandfathers, and their fathers, lived through times when batshit crazy religion was often the only explanation for what we now explain with science. Enough of that ideology survives today to affect the lives of everyone -- including those of different faiths, those of no faith, and those who don't even live in this country.

        I'm especially terrified by people who would arrange for Biblical "prophecy" to come true, should they ever grab the reins of power. But, no, I think they already have.

        Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare. Some would say it has yet to occur on earth. ~Stephen Hawking

        by Executive Odor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:18:36 PM PDT

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