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  •  Stop this (0+ / 0-)

    It is charming to talk about cultural change when you are sitting inside all snug and safe.

    You don't know anything about my life or how safe it has been, so get off your moral high-horse and stop presuming.

    By the way, her credit card is older than mine. Like I said, you don't know anything about my life.

    And yet when my sister was in the hospital--the boyfriend was let in without question.

    Shouldn't that be a clue to you that you've got a cultural, not a legal, issue on your hands? I mean, did he show his boyfriend certificate?

    In some families it matters

    If a family is conservative enough to make a big deal out of it, I seriously doubt they would approve of a gay marriage because some judge says they should. Like I said, this is a cultural issue. You are welcome to spread the word, and I've got your back when it comes to fighting Constitutional bans on gay marriage. Beyond that, this is just not a priority today, and going the judicial route is not a good idea even if it were.

    Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States.

    by M Aurelius on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:15:21 PM PDT

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    •  Don't tell me to stop anything (2+ / 0-)
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      Get off your arrogant know-it-all horse and stop presuming you know what's best for these families.  

      What are you talking about with her credit card?  It is her legal credit history that goes everywhere--all future loans and credit checks and everything. You don't know anything about this system, apparently.  If you two try to buy a house, she gets the benefit of your credit automatically.  Gay couples, nada.

      When my friend's partner was in the hospital he was denied access to him.  That is a legal problem.  

      What conservative families are you talking about?  No conservatives have to marry people of the opposite sex under this scheme.  But two men or two women who want marriage--and the legal rights there in--for the protections of each other and their kids need this.  It isn't theoretical or "cultural".  

      Just because it isn't your priority to protect your family legally doesn't give you the right to keep others from trying.

      •  You lost me. (0+ / 0-)

        Basically your entire claim rests on the assumption that Civil Unions don't have any legal or practical standing. I believe, I know, that this is not true and it certainly is not true in California.

        When my friend's partner was in the hospital he was denied access to him.

        How about some context? Did they have a CU? What state was this in?

        What conservative families are you talking about?

        I understood your families care reference as meaning the families of the couple, not the couple itself, cared about the word marriage.

        Just because it isn't your priority to protect your family legally doesn't give you the right to keep others from trying.

        My family is fine legally, thank you. But we are either debating the value of the word marriage, or we are debating legal issues. These are separate topics. There is no protection afforded by marriage that cannot be afforded by Civil Unions. Prove me wrong on this with facts rather than sketchy anecdotes, and I'll accept your argument.

        Status recognition in various circumstances or in hostile states is guaranteed by neither, and in today's HMO world absolutely every conceivable excuse, no matter how contrived, is used against gay and straight alike, as you ought to know if you've been paying attention.

        Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States.

        by M Aurelius on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:18 PM PDT

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        •  Sure they have legal standing (3+ / 0-)

          Until the bigoted doctor who doesn't approve of gays looks at your domestic partnership agreement or certificate and says "That doesn't put me under any obligation to honor it."

          Until the family of your partner stops you from seeing him because they don't like gay people.

          Until you can't get a home loan together, or a car loan, because your status as a legitimate couple is not recognized.

          I refuse to let my civil rights be lower on the totem pole than other problems we, as a nation, are having. They are equally as important. If you can't see that, then you're the one with the problem.

          The truth shall make you free - but first it shall piss you off.

          by Killer of Sacred Cows on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:22:02 PM PDT

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