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  •  Great diary, Granny. But... (3+ / 0-)
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    I would be careful about trying to shed a negative light on any of Mccain's war experiences. I know some of it may seem valid, like what you mentioned about the aircraft carriers but people won't see it that way. They will see a democrat attacking a war hero's record. We may not like it, but I think it's true. Also, the big carrier incident in which he was involved was not his fault and it's basically a miracle that he survived. Mentioning these things only strengthen's Mccain's image. It's unfortunately the same with Keating 5. He's made it untouchable by incorporating it into his bio and making himself a "man on a mission of redemption."

    With that said, I agree that Mccain's experience in foreign policy is paper thing. Instead of trying to poke holes in it ourselves, we should try to force him to volunteer what he says as his experience. Like when Hillary said the same thing and was called on it and forced to bring up Tuzla. The same tact will work here. No need to say "but he crashed planes!" Instead "what specifically does he consider the cornerstone of his experience? give us an example."

    The truth will do the rest.

    •  I understand your point, but (8+ / 0-)

      I didn't say it.  It's a part of his biography.

      He survived two airplane crashes and a collision with power lines.

      As the wife of a former Marine pilot at just about the same time I can say, with authority, if he were not the son and grandson of Admirals, they would have not let him near a plane, after the second "incident".  He was a very careless pilot.

      No matter what happens ... somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." Dave Barry

      by Granny Doc on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:06:35 PM PDT

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      •  Granny, Thank you for your great diary. (2+ / 0-)
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        Granny Doc, LynneK

        Here's some more info I stumbled over the other day to support your assertion:

        McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft

        Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

        Which comes from an anti-McCain site is stumbled over the other day: Vietnam Vets Against McCain

        I have no idea of the 'truthfulness' of the site, so further confirmation is needed of anything they post, but they do raise a number of concerns about his fitness for office.

        Don't PANIC!, it's 42.

        by CarmenT on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:11:38 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree that certain issues (4+ / 0-)

      such as incompetence in his Military record and deceit and conspiracy in the Keating 5 out of bounds, just because he admitted them in a book or elswhere.

      In law, a confession does not disqualify an individual from being held accountable and evidence of his inability to serve as President and Commander in Chief is pertinent.

      As to the relevance (however inappropriate) of questioning his 'hero' status, recall that it's not that long ago when Rove and Co. sought to destroy Kerry in the same manner.

      I realize you are not attacking Granny for her diary and are merely cautioning regarding the effectiveness of trivial attacks for the sake of it.  But, a more in depth and considered approach such as Granny has done here have their place.

      Don't PANIC!, it's 42.

      by CarmenT on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:21:47 AM PDT

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    •  And what did the Repugs do to Kerry? (3+ / 0-)
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      I frankly don't care about treading softly around McBush's past. After what the Swiftboaters did to Kerry who actually saw combat, fought valiantly, and was awarded the purple heart? To hell. We need to gather our cajones and peel open McCain's history without fear. His sole claim to fame is his POW experience and I'm sorry that does not register on my hero radar when compared to those who actually fought and died or were maimed in war. I don't buy the charade.

      Secondly, I am sick and tired of this spurious equation of military service with foreign policy experience. the former does NOT equal the latter. If it did we would not be making the asinine mistakes during our military adventures abroad. Didn't the military now rather belatedly realize that they needed "human terrain teams" in Iraq to help deal with the cultural nuances related to the insurgency?  Blasting people away in foreign lands does not equal foreign policy experience. I have lived in countries and experienced the sheer inanity of American military presence made even more insufferable by the utter ignorance of the local culture by the top brass.  

      "Scandals don't stay underground like cassava: they always come out" -- Ewe Proverb

      by zizi on Sat May 17, 2008 at 04:49:36 AM PDT

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      •  POW experience (1+ / 0-)
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        Granny Doc

        to most folks, this is really significant. I think we, on the left, need to tread very carefully here. After all, when was the last time any of us were imprisoned, held in solitary confinement, and tortured for several years. I see no need to denigrate this experience and if we do it will used against McCain's critics in general. That is why Obama gestures towards McC's "war hero" status on a regular basis. We don't have to negate or undermine this fact--acknowledge and move past.

        As for equating military experience with foreign policy expertise, I agree with your point completely, but we also should remember that 20-some years of senate experience does count for something--at least in most people's minds. I'm not convinced that this-- "McCain doesn't really have any substantive FP experience" is gonna cut it with the American public. Again, need to tread carefully here. It looks like we're arguing that experience matters by criticizing his lack of it, so that even if McCain's FP experience is proven to be thin, how can we argue that it matters in McC's case but not in Obama's?   In other words, and as Obama rightly has been arguing, it's not experience that always counts, it's judgment. McC is experienced at doing the wrong thing---seems more effective, imo.

        "Americans wish to be settled. Only so far as they are unsettled is there any hope for them" -Emerson.

        by kfd313 on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:07:19 AM PDT

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