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  •  It seems that his placement (5+ / 0-)

    was related to demerits for failing to obey, rather than academic weakness, although no one has suggested that he was brilliant...

    No matter what happens ... somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." Dave Barry

    by Granny Doc on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:35:26 PM PDT

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    •  He may be brilliant, but he's doing (6+ / 0-)

      a great job of hiding it.  

      Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else. --Will Rogers

      by groggy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:52:31 PM PDT

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    •  I don't know (5+ / 0-)

      795th out of 800. That would take a whole lot of demerits.

    •  Military people, a 23 year career ends as Capt? (12+ / 0-)

      I have some military experience, but am certainly no expert. So military people, please tell me if I'm ... er ... off-base (pun) here.

      McLame's military career lasted from '58 to '81, 23 years. He left as a captain. A trained pilot with 23 service, retiring as a captain seems to be a pretty sorry performance. Unless I'm wrong, it indicates the Navy had basically sent him the signal that advancement just ain't gonna happen. As in, "You're a fuck-up buddy. Your career is going nowhere."

      Military people, is that accurate?

      If seniority equated to good judgment, McCain would be appointed president.

      by Juan4All on Sat May 17, 2008 at 05:25:36 AM PDT

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      •  That pretty much (7+ / 0-)

        sums it up!

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        No matter what happens ... somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." Dave Barry

        by Granny Doc on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:26:36 AM PDT

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      •  Excellent Question (8+ / 0-)

        "Mr. McCain you served in the Navy for 23 years, received numerous decorations and were a POW, why is it you think that you were only promoted to Captain, while both your grandfather and father made admiral?"

        "Do you think it had anything to do with you destroying 5 of our planes?"

        "Or do you think it may have been because you finished 795 out of 800 at the Naval Academy?"

        Actually, I looked up the rank orders and a Captain in the Navy is like a Colonel in the Army.  You may be thinking of an Army Captain, who is only one step up from Lieutenant.

        All men want to be rich. Rich men want to be king. And the king ain't satisfied till he rules everything. Springsteen

        by howd on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:27:19 AM PDT

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      •  Hate to defend McCain . . . BUT (5+ / 0-)

        a Captain in the Navy is not the same as a Captain in the Army or MaArines.  A Captain in the Navy is the equivalent of a Colonel in the other services.

        "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

        by bobdevo on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:32:29 AM PDT

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        •  Glad you said that (3+ / 0-)
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          There's a big distinction between the two ranks. mccain was an aviator, but a lot of Naval Captains have command of large floating military bases called ships, some of which have over 2000 inhabitants. It's not an inconsequential rank.

          mccain also attended the Naval War College after coming home from his incarceration in Vietnam and that had a profound effect on his foreign policy views. His differences with the other Vietnam war vets in the senate are explored in this article by matt bai in the NYT magazine this weekend.

          It's notable that his views are starkly different than the other vets in the Senate, like Webb, Kerry and Hagel, who are all war opponents. Not only was mccain an aviator, which put him in a different position than a ground pounder like the other vets, but he was isolated from American thought during his captivity, which led to a much different view on the Vietnam conflict and I believe, a different view on the use of American military power. I strongly urge people to read that article by Bai. It brings out a lot of the problems that mccain will bring to our foreign policy.

          A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

          by dougymi on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:02:30 AM PDT

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          •  Wish I could recommend 1,000 times. (4+ / 0-)

            McCain's view is indeed that from 30,000 feet.  Vietnam for McCain was flyover country . . . until he was shot down (or crashed, who knows for sure, he was such a lousy pilot).  That brought him a does of reality.

            It is one thing to be a foot soldier slogging thru the delta, stepping on punji sticks, pulling off leeches and getting dengue fever . .  it is quite another to drop bombs on a civilian population from 30,000 feet.

            McCain volunteered to do that.  As fas as I am concerned, the bombing of Vietnam - north and south - and Laos, and Cambodia were war crimes.

            McCain is a hot-headed asshole who learned NOTHING from the debacle that was Vietnam . . . and he has learned NOTHING from Iraq . . . except that it somehow reinforces his belief in using American military force around the world.  

            The US has 737 military bases in 130 countries.  The Chinese have 0.  Do we know something THEY don't know . . . or is it THE OTHER WAY AROUND??

            "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower

            by bobdevo on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:53:26 AM PDT

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      •  All those medals...just a captain? (1+ / 0-)
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        And, his dad was a military big shot?

        Something else is there and needs to be dug up.

        "...there is the United States of America." Obama

        by redtex on Sat May 17, 2008 at 09:49:00 AM PDT

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        •  probably not. He got out. (2+ / 0-)
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          If he would have stayed in the military, he would have been promoted to admiral. It was only a matter of time before he was promoted. He chose a different path and went into politics instead.  

          Col. Jack Jacobs was only a colonel despite winning the CMH after all. He chose to leave miltary service, just like mccain. Sometimes people leave for more lucrative or more powerful positions.  Maybe they don't like the military life (I didn't).

          I wouldn't read too much into his rank. Captain in the Navy ain't too shabby.

          A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

          by dougymi on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:09:02 AM PDT

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