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  •  Thanks for the pointer (6+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the pointer to more research--some of the most vocal folks protesting against neopente dominionism are in fact evangelicals not wanting their churches to be targeted.  (There's a number who remember how Baptist and Methodist churches were targeted in the US at the start of the pentecostal movement, and a number who are disturbed re the steeplejacking of the SBC in particular.)

    A number of cell-groups are increasingly using computer technology, but many of them use the good old "meeting in someone's home" method for coercion.  (Mailinglists set up within churches for cell-groups are an increasingly common method in which people are "herded", though.)

    •  Hate to admit it (6+ / 0-)

      But, I got caught up in one of those churches years back during a family crisis. But, I was raised Southern Baptist and all these alarm bells starting going off. So, I started following all the links and connections. I no longer have my notes, but could pull that thread again. Hagee actually visited that church after I left. Really, really disturbing trends. They are going after people with no real Bible learning. So, when they go off on crazy tangents they cannot be disputed.  

      The church was connected to the Edwin Louis Cole teachings...male dominated (why teach women?) and very pushy about money. They actually had a ceremony using swords. Then they bought land out in the country for training. They believe they are going to be given almost supernatural powers.

      John MacArthur is not a nut. He has written at least one book against this weirdness in churches.

      I'd go after the links between these churches.

      "...there is the United States of America." Obama

      by redtex on Tue May 20, 2008 at 05:04:18 PM PDT

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    •  Re: Methodist steeplejacking (1+ / 0-)
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      Don't know if you'll see this, but I hope you do.  

      In addition to the "nondenominational" churches in my area, I'm afraid the local Methodist church has some definite involvement with these folks.  I didn't go long enough to be entirely sure what they were preaching exactly, and i didn't get the feeling that it was explicit Joel's Army stuff, but it sure wasn't the Methodist church I grew up in.  At the time (way before I knew about any of this stuff) I remarked to my husband that the Methodist church felt more like a "Baptist" church to me.  Not sure if this is just a legit regional variation among Methodist churches, or if this is the influence of the local fundies, or what.  

      •  Yup, aware of it. (1+ / 0-)
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        Methodist churches--especially AME Methodist, but increasingly UMC Methodist as well--have always been a historically heavy target for steeplejacking by the Assemblies of God in particular.

        (The Assemblies, and pentecostalism in general, is in fact a descendant of the Holiness Movement within Methodist and Baptist churches--in fact, the Assemblies can trace its lineage most definitively from ex-Methodists who were expelled from the denomination for "not testing the fruits of the spirit" with their love of glossolalia.  (Methodist groups do believe in "tongues", but typically require someone to be translating live-time to verify it is in fact a gift of God; it's not like the theatrics in Assemblies churches.)  Partly because the Assemblies was founded by people kicked out of Methodist and Baptist churches for heresy, they've always very heavily targeted those denominations in particular.)

        The FGBMFI is known to have targeted Methodist churches, and there is probably a lot of infiltration of Joel's Army stuff through promotion of the "Alpha Course" (originating from a Vineyard-steeplejacked COE church) and even the Institute for Religion and Democracy.

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