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  •  Homocide. n/t (22+ / 0-)

    OK, sick joke.  But as a queer person, I've been battling this shit all my adult life.

    Not a stupid question, diddosMN, but there are people out there (not you) who argue over definitions like this so as to exclude their own evil actions from any category that would require condemnation on the basis of human rights.

    When will we all become human enough to realize that mass violence of any kind, perpetrated by any group of people or any state, is wrong?  Without arguing about definitions.  

    ...just another hooligan from the Dalai clique

    by RadioGirl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:27:06 AM PDT

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    •  I was thinking the same thing (12+ / 0-)

      RadioGirl. And IIRC, the Holocaust included many groups (including homosexuals & dissidents), not just religious, ethnic, or racial. I'm not sure why I get the feeling that using the word Holocaust somehow gets some people upset when this president is talking about WIPING OUT a whole group of people. Seems pretty similar to me.

      We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders... ~ Molly Ivins

      by Progressive INTP on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:32:20 AM PDT

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      •  Also, Progressive INTP... (6+ / 0-)

        I think it's not that good-hearted people mean to compete over definitions, or try to claim certain ones as their own because they don't want to acknowledge anyone else's hurt.

        I think that so many groups of people have suffered such horrific violence in so many different ways today and throughout history.  And – this is just my thought, I'm not asserting it as fact – I sometimes think that it's so easy to worry that the hurt done to "my" group will vanish from the moral sight of the world if the specific meaning of a particular perpetration of mass violence is seen to be diluted or diminished in any way.  

        I often wish we - that is, whatever groups you and I are part of that have suffered terrible violence and oppression - had ways of memorializing not only the violence done to us, but also to others.  Ceremonies of remembrance, resistance, and honoring of the courage of those who once resisted and are now gone.  Ceremonies where we hold one another, listen to the stories of others, tell our own stories, and further the process of collective healing.

        If we found ways to do this, perhaps we wouldn't imagine any more that the lines between victim and victimizer are always so distinct.  And perhaps, if we were all remembering together, we wouldn't sometimes get so competitive about suffering.

        I'm just rambling here...but boy, this sure strikes a tender nerve.  

        ...just another hooligan from the Dalai clique

        by RadioGirl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:04:27 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)
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          as someone part of and attached intimately to several such groups, I tend to see discrimination and oppression against all groups as pretty much the same thing (although of course there are specific differences)- basically hate against "the other". I believe it is wrong and against the heart and soul of what people remember the Holocaust for to forget the fact that in addition to Jews, there were other groups killed there too. Also, one very important aspect of the motto "never again" is to always watch for hints of the same type of thing beginning to happen and to take action against it so it never happens again (no matter what group is being targeted).

          And like the saying goes, "...then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." We humans need to look out for each other and stop separating ourselves into little boxes (and by doing that, it certainly doesn't diminish any one group, it only makes us all stronger by standing together).

          We are the people who run this country. We are the deciders... ~ Molly Ivins

          by Progressive INTP on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:19:46 PM PDT

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    •  Thank you Radiogirl (7+ / 0-)

      And yes, people quibble over definitions.  I was inclined to call it genocide but was afraid of being corrected.  In my mind, it is one and the same.  As you said, mass violence of any kind against any group(s) is wrong and as I said above, pure evil.

      "You must be the change you want to see in the world." -Gandhi

      by diddosMN on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:36:05 AM PDT

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