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  •  If you read the newspapers... (4.00)
    ...and had an iota of common sense, you knew that:

    1. Bush made it clear repeatedly that he wanted war with Iraq, and did not believe he even needed UN agreement, let alone Congressional agreement.

    2. He was willing to compromise on both accounts precisely because he didn't care - he was going to war regardless.

    3. Hence, anyone who voted for war either wanted war, was a hopeless dupe, or did so for political cover. To me, Kerry belongs in one of the latter two categories. Sadly, most likely the last.

    The Congressional resolution made war inevitable, and Kerry was dead wrong on that. This is unforgiveable, but somehow less unforgiveable than what Bush himself did.

    BTW, It was not about WMD, but about Iraq posing a clear and present danger to us (the imminent threat argument). Many states that we don't like have WMD and we don't attack them. Some might even pose us a threat (i.e. North Korea). I figured Hussein had WDM, but saw no connection between that and a threat to us.
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    •  Thank you! (none)
      You have succinctly expressed Kerry's true position on the Iraq War Resolution.  I am so fuckin' sick of liberals defending Kerry's vote with elaborate rationalizations that they didn't even believe themselves at the time (because they were too busy supporting Dean or Clark or Kucinich).  

      The ugly truth is that Bush is right when mocks Kerry for having myriad positions on the Iraq War.  I said this to my dad during the primaries when I asked how Kerry would be able to criticize Bush on the war when he voted for the IWR.  My dad, and countless others, disregarded this obvious flaw in Kerry and instead voted for the most "electable" candidate, as the corporate news instructed them.  Kerry was a war hero, he was presidential, he was well spoken (not too brazen), finally we had a democrat who couldn't be smeared.  Not enough primary voters stopped to think for themselves, to think that maybe there is no such thing as a candidate who cannot be smeared, and that perhaps it's better to have a candidate who knows how to brawl.  Now we are paying the price for choosing poorly in the primaries, and to add insult to the injury, some idiots are attacking anyone who suggests that maybe Kerry is another Dukakis.  In the twisted group-think logic of these "opinion police", to point out the truth is to cause Kerry to lose.  

      "One god, one market, one truth, one consumer. Just a quiet peaceful dance, for things we will never have." --Zack De La Rocha, "Down Rodeo"

      by Subterranean on Mon Sep 20, 2004 at 09:12:48 PM PDT

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      •  Can I kiss you... (none)
        No amount of triangulations and spinning can over come the obvious...which was obvious last January.

        Bush is weak on Foreign Policy and the War in Iraq is his Achilles Heel. Kerry gambled with his vote and came out on the losing side...point blank.

        This was my biggest reason for backing Dean. It was not his blue eyes, but I knew he was not going to take the War in Iraq off the table I knew that Dean was ready and able to hit Bush with both barrels blasting. Dean had the Silver Bullet even Rove admitted that much.

        I also knew that Kerry's vote was an albatross around his neck and that he would either try to co-opt the war (I'll do it better) or avoid it and take it off the table altogether. Since things have gone from bad to worse in Iraq he could no longer try and co-opt it (even Blair is now pulling out) so now Kerry is in a predicament that he was trying to avoid at all cost....trying to fight Bush on the principle that it was wrong in the first place...yeah but he voted for it.

        Kerry's vote weakend him on both counts because if he was such a Foreign Policy whizz he should have seen that the vote was bogus, he was briefed by Ritter and others that Iraq posed no danger...yet he did infact vote for it anyway.

        Still Kerry has had the opportunity to redeem that vote but he was stuck to Al From's tit who had affectionatly nicknamed Kerry a "Blair Democrat" because he was strongly for the war.

        Now all has gone to hell in a handbasket and people rightly so can't at a quick glance (not those who take the time to get lost in triangulations) distingush Kerry from Bush.

        So once again, with the intellectual prowess of an ant there is a concerted effort to tell those who see the problem to just shut up about it. This is on par with Loyalty Oaths.

        bravo...

        So, I agree that we can't cry over spilt milk Kerry screwed his vote and there is nothing we can do about it now. However, the answer is not to tell people to shut up...yes those on CNN and MSGOP fine but on this little board here will only fester contempt.

        FIX THE FUCKING PROBLEM...

        There I said it...fix it... admit that Dean was right two years ago disengage from Al From's tit, fight back, kick some butt, blast with both barrels at that damn achilles heel IRAQ.

        The people are with Kerry...Eventhough, he went wind surfing the day a half a million people marched against Bush and the war...get those people to rally behind him...and for god's sakes stop speaking to their base and an address you own damn Democratic base.

        This is why Rove didn't want to run against Dean in the first place. Dean/Obama 2008/12

        by Genf on Tue Sep 21, 2004 at 03:27:57 AM PDT

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      •  Full time KERRY supporter here (none)
        Dean can disappear into the shadows.  Clark never had the personality to run and Kucinich is well Kucinich.  I like all of them but they never had a chance.  

        If you hate Kerry so much go vote for Bush and shut the hell up.

        I am SICK of people like YOU.  Every pro Kerry post you attack and discredit.  Take the one that follows all your posts and take both your sad ass rants over to freeper central.  At least there your posts will be appreciated though no more material.

        wax on, wax off dubya-san

        by thebloviator on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 11:52:31 PM PDT

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