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  •  The purple line and the Dulles link are a must. (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't know about Georgetown.  While, I hated the fact that Georgetown was only bus accessible from AU's campus, I think it's still pretty accessible.

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    by AUBoy2007 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:54:18 PM PDT

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    •  Or whatever's beyond Georgetown. (2+ / 0-)
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      There's quite a lot of area beyond it (GW's "Mount Vernon" campus, for instance; and frankly there's a decent amount elsewhere beyond it as well.

      There's no metro line there because they didn't want blacks moving into the area.

      •  That's an urban legend (0+ / 0-)

        Blacks lived in Georgetown until the 1960s -- it didn't start becoming the Georgetown we know and love until the 1960s.  The real reason there isn't subway in Georgetown is geological.  The fall line of the Potomac is right there (hence the early history as a major port for the Potomac river) and it would be supremely expensive to blast a tunnel through all of that bedrock. Belive me there's a ton of it -- I used to work next to the site that would become the Ritz-Carolton in Georgetown and one of the highlights of the construction was gathering at my director's office to watch the daily 2:00 pm blast as they worked their way into the rock to build the parking garage underneath the hotel.

        There's pretty good bus service in Georgetown -- the 30 buses get you from Tenleytown to downtown via Wisconsin Avenue and M street, the "D" buses get you from Wisconsin and P street to downtown and the Georgetown connectors get you from upper Georgetown to Foggy Bottom.

        SIGH, I really, really miss working in Georgetown. I cried when my job got defunded.  Now I work at an Army Post in southern Fairfax county. It's a vile prison by comparison.

    •  G'town is not at all accessible (1+ / 0-)
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      As Luntz notes that's deliberate. It needs to change.

      As for the purple line -- which one do you have in mind? The one originally conceived, traveling underground as another Metro line linking stations from PG County all the way across the Potomac to Virginia -- and costing probably tens of billions, if not more? Cuz that ain't gonna happen.

      The one they talk about now is light rail, or maybe even an express bus across the Maryland 'burbs -- linking Bethesda to the College Park campus.

      However, that still leaves us with the mess across the American Legion Bridge. There really ought to be a good rail alternative to driving the Beltway. That's without getting into the need to build another bridge....

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      by FischFry on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:11:50 PM PDT

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      •  The new Wilson Bridge has room for rail! (3+ / 0-)
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        The new Wilson bridge has room for Metro to put rail across the Potomac there.  It would make sense to have a rail line going form PG county to Alexandria and then extend the Blue Line from Franconia/Springfield to Fort Belvoir. A lot of residents of PG county work at Fort Belvior and what with the current plans to move a lot of Dept of Defense offices down there from Crystal City, there will be even more workers making that commute.

      •  G'town is not easily accessible. (0+ / 0-)

        But as akeitz notes, it is accessible.

        They need to work on expanding the Metro outward, rather than worrying about within D.C.

        The presidency is now a cross between a popularity contest and a high school debate, with an encyclopedia of clichés the first prize. Saul Bellow

        by AUBoy2007 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:30:50 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't say Metro... (1+ / 0-)
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          However, I take issue with your statement. Both things need to happen. I think Metro needs to expand out to Columbia, to the north -- and I'd like to see metro, or some other rail option that goes along I-270 to Frederick, perhaps even to Gettysburg. WE need to take the traffic pressure off that route, as well as I-66, and 267 in Virginia. Also, find some way to get better rail in the southern VA 'burbs/ But, there should be limits to that, too. Expanding the Metro outward may encourage development too far out, which only means more driving, not less. There are too many remote suburbs being constructed. Montgomery County is trying to do that around rail stations, but they're not doing that in Virginia, or in PG.

          What makes systems like New York's subway and London's tube so impressive and useful is the multiplicity of lines -- the coverage within the city. You're never very far from a station. DC needs that, too. Some of that might be doable with light rail (or express bus, as they're proposing now), but I'd like to see more stations within the city. Adams Morgan, maybe upper Connecticut, maybe NoMA, and coverage for all the Southeast development planned.

          Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

          by FischFry on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:48:59 PM PDT

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          •  There needs to be... (2+ / 0-)
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            ....inter-suburb lines. A lot of people forget that people commute from suburb to suburb. There has to be an easy way for someone to get from Rockville or Bethesda to Tysons Corner without having to go straight to downtown DC first.

            •  Of course there should be (2+ / 0-)
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              metal prophet, BYw

              People don't forget that -- the Beltway logjam every morning and night serves as a daily reminder. That's the original conception behind the Purple line. Unfortunately, there is no money for that. They're talking about doing the purple line on the cheap -- with buses (or light rail) from College Park to Bethesda. No serious consideration of extending it to Virginia. It should run from New Carrolton to College Park, to Silver Spring to Bethesda to Tysons Corner to Falls Church, maybe even down to Crystal City.

              Some of that can be done more locally. Virginia is considering inter-suburb trolleys; and Maryland does need that, too -- but there should be a good rail alternative across the Potomac, without going into DC. Hub and spokes is OK, but there should be connections between the spokes, too.

              Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

              by FischFry on Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:33:43 PM PDT

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