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  •  What about the Drug War? (none)
    I'd be very interested to see how this framing fits with the Drug War -- does Lakoff address it?

    Decades of failed drug policy continue to be pursued by both parties.

    Republicans use the moral/crime and punishment strict father approach, and Democrats talk about nurturing, but end up convincing themselves that being "tough" on drugs is the way to be "providing protection" (or perhaps it just provides political cover).

    Democrats have talked treatment, but often voted for longer sentences; they talk after-school programs, but vote for drug testing.

    Is there a way to frame the nurturing protection that doesn't involve the current situation where over 1 in 20 black men of voting age in the country is in a state or federal prison?  (Hmm, I wonder how many votes that was in Florida?)

    Can nurturing also involve being "smart" on crime and drugs, instead of "tough?"

    •  There's an element of Libertarianism. (none)
      That is slowly taking hold in the drug war, and I think that is the way it is going.
      As a drug user, buyer, and occasional seller, I didn't get to pick the side I'm on in the drug war; but it is the winning side.

      To first time voters: Voting is just like driving; if you want to go forward, you put the lever on 'D'. If you want to go backward, put it on 'R'.

      by AWhitneyBrown on Mon Sep 20, 2004 at 12:30:50 AM PDT

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    •  Back at the start (none)
      of the drug war Nixon compromised with a democratic congress. About half of the money for the first several years was spent on treatment. It was very effective. Methadone clinics, especially, treated thousands of junkies and rehabilitated many of them to productive citizenship. The punitive drug war was founded by Nelson Rockefeller who found it to be a really cool way to beat Democrats in New York. The prison/industrial complex ate up all the money and the clinics dissappeared.

      "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

      by johnmorris on Mon Sep 20, 2004 at 05:17:57 AM PDT

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    •  Some thoughts on Drug policy (none)
      This isn't really about framing, maybe someone will take that issue up, but I think the "War on Drugs" is one of the most spectacularly failed national policies of recent years, it hasn't really done anything except put a lot of people who generally weren't a threat in jail.  

      I read a book a while back called "The Botany of Desire" by Micheal Pollan, and he had a very interesting section on Marijuana where he argued that the whole "War on Drugs" was a more of less naked grab for state power and against civil liberties and I haven't seen anything that really contradicts his conclusions(at least with regard to Marijuana).   And while we're talking about drugs, the only thing that I can think of that Gary Johnson(the last Governer of NM) did that I actually liked was attempt to start a new dialogue on National Drug policy, I wish that had gone somewhere, as we really need to revise our drug policies, if nothing else we could significantly reduce our embarrasingly large prison population and the corresponding drain on our economy.

    •  Do republicans actually care? (none)

      We could say republicans are the strict father, but does the current republican party actually care about the majority of the people?

      I'm not saying democrats care, but republicans don't really offer alternatives when they remove programs. When welfare was reformed we did not increase investment in the education system to balance this.

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