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  •  Thanks for the link. (none)
    That was really interesting.  I think I'd heard about it but hadn't read it before, it wouldn't suprise me if that was a large component of the war motivation.  I did a paper a number of years ago on the U.S. labor movement during the teens, and given some of the absolutely barbaric things that the industrialists did to their workers with apparently the full backing of the government, it wouldn't suprise me if it was all about profit(and a convenient excuse to crush unions). I don't know as much about the 30's(at least that aspect of it), any other suggested sources.  

    This also gells rather nicely with what I picked up from Kevin Phillip's "Wealth and Democracy", a lot of the great fortunes had their roots in war profiteering(IIRC, the wealthiest person in the U.S. in the 1790's made their fortune off the revolutionary war, and there were plenty of others).  One of the things that I liked about that book was just how effectively he demonstrated that truly large amounts of wealth simply don't appear without government intervention, he could almost have presented just his lists of the great fortunes and their sources for each decade by themselves and his argument would have been just as effective.  

    BTW:  I'm jealous of your sig.  That was a good book.

    •  We generally can always find a Pterry quote (none)
      that will fit any situation these days.

      (Even the wierder ones, now - just like Monty Python.)

       Oh, get this - how freaky is this Mel Brooks sound clip: Men In Tights

      "The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret" - T. Pratchett (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Thu Sep 23, 2004 at 10:28:30 AM PDT

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      •  Hehe (none)
        I'd totally forgotten about that line and its really very apropos of current issues.  

        Going even more OT: What's your favorite Pterry book  anyway?   I'm leaning toward Small Gods as maybe being the best of them, but most of the rest are so amazingly good that I'd have a hard time choosing.  And here's one of my favorite Pterry quotes, just because:

        "Because, you see, you just think for many rats," he said. "But you don't think of them.  Nor are you, for all that you say, the Big Rat.  Every word you utter is a lie.  If there is a Big Rat, and I hope there is, it would not talk of war and death.  It would be made of the best we could be, not the worst that we are.  No, I will not join you, liar in the dark.  I prefer our way.  We are silly and weak sometimes.  But toghether we are strong.  Your have plans for rats?  Well, I have dreams for them"
        -Terry Pratchett, The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents, pg. 186

        •  That's *so* hard (none)
          I think Feet of Clay, because I've always been fascinated with the Golem of Prague story, and free will, being a philosophy major and all. And mystery stories, too. But then Death is such a great character, so Hogfather, and Reaper Man, have to go high on the list. And Old Hollywood has a special place in my life, so all books dealing with it, like Moving Pictures or Barbara Hambly's 'Bride of the Rat God' too.

          Pterry and Neil Gaiman are doing the best work, along with Diane Duane, imo, at tackling the worship of power and efficiency in our generation. They've taken up the fiery swords of Lewis and Tolkien and GKC (which they in turn inherited from Dickens and Johnson and other great humanitarians) and are carrying the fight against depersonalizing utilitarianism beyond the Century of the Fruitbat.

          "The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret" - T. Pratchett (change @ for AT to email)

          by bellatrys on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:08:28 AM PDT

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