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  •  Well, to be fair... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...customs agents technically already have the right to look at anything they want that's in your possession when you try and enter a country. More technically, if you refuse to let them search whatever they choose to search, they can deny entry.

    As a matter of policy, though, this seems like it would be a waste of their time.

    •  I can understand certain aspects of that (1+ / 0-)
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      For instance, if the guard is suspicious your trunk is full of cheap American cigarettes that you want to sell in Canada, then yeah, they have the right to search your car.  But there should be a burden of proof on the guards to only search if given reasonable grounds for suspicion.  

      But what exactly constitutes a reasonable cause here?  An iPod in sight?  

      •  I have to disagree. (1+ / 0-)
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        Why should there be such a burden of proof or standard of reasonableness? I fail to see the moral imperative.

        •  Do you want to be subject to search by whim? (1+ / 0-)
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          In other words, are you comfortable being searched at any given time based on an officer having a bad day or just feeling like picking you out for a search?  It's simply another step towards creating a police state where authoritarian figures have absolute control.

          •  It's not 'anytime.' (0+ / 0-)

            It's "anytime I cross a border." Thankfully, the American constitution protects me from arbitrary searches during the course of my daily life.

            However, if I choose to leave the country, I have full expectation beforehand of the other country ensuring I'm in compliance with their laws.

            Quite frankly, it's just like getting on an airplane. You know they can search you and they tell you that beforehand. They're also similar in the sense that I have no legal right either to fly nor to visit another country. Hence, I have no grounds to argue with whatever bullshit they want to put me through. If I don't like being searched at the Canadian border, I won't go to Canada; there's no fundamental human right to travel wherever I please.

            •  In my case... (0+ / 0-)

              ...I'm a US citizen who will be a legal resident (very soon) in Canada so I'd like to think I have protections in both countries.  

              But the main point is reasonable searches.  I don't find it reasonable to search someone's private data because a border guard decides your iPod contains illegal material.  

              Of course, I will love the day when I have my affairs completely in order and don't return to the US at all.

      •  Earbuds when you are going through customs? (0+ / 0-)

        I long for the good old days where church was the place where we sang hymns and slept. (After Paula Poundstone)

        by captainlaser on Tue May 27, 2008 at 05:30:40 PM PDT

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    •  well (0+ / 0-)

      Customs agents are already trained to detect copyright infringement.

      But mostly the type having to do with dangerous fake drugs or consumer electronics.

      Also knock off merchandise.

      But they don't search passengers for the above just importing for sale. afaik.

      "Stop the drama. Vote Obama!"

      by Number5 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 04:41:36 PM PDT

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