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  •  So next year President Obama declares (8+ / 0-)

    the SOFU invalid because Congress did not approve it and orders withdrawal. Is Iraq going to sue us for breach of contract? Or is  Secretary of Defense Hagel going to sue for an injunction to stop withdrawal?

    " Let us stop, look and listen. Let us not give this president or any president unchecked power. Remember the Constitution." Sen Rob't. Byrd 10/11/02.

    by LEP on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:05:43 AM PDT

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    •  Right now (6+ / 0-)

      He declares all Bush policy regarding Iraq not congressionally approved will be subject to review.

      Time waits for no one, the treasure is great spend it wisely.

      by mojavefog on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:13:56 AM PDT

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    •  Obama would certainly have that right (2+ / 0-)
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      But it will be spun and publicized both in the US and in Iraq that we are "reneging" on promises we made to the Iraqi government.

      The President of the US can do whatever he wants in this instance.  I'm not saying the agreement ties his hands... it just makes the situation a lot stickier.

      We don't want to set the precedent that agreements made with the US are only valid until a new president comes in (which could potentially happen every 4 years) at which time they are free to tell you to go fuck yourself.

      That doesn't position our diplomatic corps very well.

      I'm just sayin'....

      Thinking men can not be ruled. --Ayn Rand

      by Wisper on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:23:08 AM PDT

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      •  Like our diplomatic corps is (0+ / 0-)

        positioned well now?

        We clearly have already seen the precedent set that a rogue president can do whatever he wants without any oversight or recourse whatsoever- this is writ large all over Iraq. We need to set the precedent that a non-rogue successor can at least attempt to clean up the mess...

      •  We also don't want to set the precedent... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...that any and all agreements made with the US are eternally binding regardless of how insane they are.

        If Bush were to flat-out sign all American assets over to Iraq, for example. Wouldn't that be subject to review by his successor?

        Now, how is this planned treaty of his not merely a lesser version of that? He's basically signing a large chunk of money over, as well as a massive number of US troops. Money and troops that the next president will clearly need elsewhere.

        I'm sorry, but Bush cannot just unilaterally sign an agreement to make the war permanent, and then nobody can touch it from then on.

        With Bush being so universally reviled the world over, how would un-doing such a ridiculous treaty create any sort of significant diplomatic backlash? Near as I can tell, un-doing virtually ANY of Bush's foreign policy is going to position our diplomatic corps a lot better than it is now.

        •  I'm thinking that the anchor against change is (0+ / 0-)

          somewhere in all those Global Trade rules -- where we get sued by all the companies who expected to make money -- because they don't make that money if we don't keep the agreement.

          Probably the BEST way is to declare loud and long in the world press that we VOTE no confidence in Bush and refuse in advance to give any weight to his insane plans.  That lets the Iraqi govt. and people go public in continuing their seeming strategy of delay, delay, delay --- trying to outlast bushbot regime.

          Isn't there some UN date coming up in Sept. where their thin umbrella over our presence in Iraq ENDS without a new vote?  Can't remember.

          Of course --- Rs would spin it as giving terrorists encouragement  -- so as to blame the violence which is coming anyway -- on Ds  -- to steal election.

          Obama should absolutely NOT risk doing anything in Iraq with McCain.  It smells like set up.  

          No flying to campaign stops in Mrs. McCain's plane or with McCain lobbyists.  McCain has violated too many clean campaign rules -- don't want our guy to be guilty by association with flip/flop john.

          De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

          by Neon Mama on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:55:55 PM PDT

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