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  •  yes, there is a panacea (2+ / 0-)
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    it's the u.s. constitution.

    that's the panecea, that's the silver bullet. that's what the framers sat down to write, so that if tyrrany ever reared it's head, any future generation of americans could hold it up and end it.

    the declaration of independence was written into the constitution in the form of the convention clause.

    p.s. how much time you do yout we have to secure the voting process from private interests? how many election cycles?

    Billion dollar presidential campaigns are for losers.

    by john de herrera on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:52:41 PM PDT

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    •  When was this era (5+ / 0-)

      of perfect Constitutional democracy? The internment of Japanese during WWII? The McCarthy era? Jim Crow? Watergate? The Reagan years?

      Civic progress requires education and effort.

      •  or the era (6+ / 0-)

        when "women who chose to work did so for her own pleasure"?  For poor families, and particularly people of color, this was NEVER the case!!!!  Let's face it, lots of women (poor white women, farmer's wives, African-American women, immigrant women, etc.) have ALWAYS had to work, and not for her own pleasure, but in order to feed her family.

      •  correct (0+ / 0-)

        that's why you should help educate people that the convention clause of the u.s. constitution is part of the contract for a reason. and the reason we've never held a nationl conveniton is because corporate interests quite rightly fear it.

        you want to talk about the constitution and what an article v convention means, then educate yourself about the truth of the matter.

        Billion dollar presidential campaigns are for losers.

        by john de herrera on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:52:32 PM PDT

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        •  I fear it, as should everyone who understands (1+ / 0-)
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          the corruption of our government now.

          Ronald Reagan wanted a constitutional convention, in part to end equality between the races, end habeas corpus, a free press, the freedom to dissent and redress the government.

          Ronald Reagan, like McCarthy and Goldwater before him, were the advance guard of the facist enterprise that is swamping the country.

          Anybody who advocates a constitutional convention now is asking for national suicide.

          •  wrong: (0+ / 0-)

            a convention cannot ratify anything.

            a "constitutional convention" and an Article V Convention are two different things: the former is to is meant to write a constitution, the latter is only allowed to propose amendments " this Constitution...." meaning the only thing a national convention can do is have state delegates show up, place ideas for amendment proposals on the table, and go home.

            then the ratification process begins where the entire country examines what's on the table.

            national suicide is to watch and do nothing while corporate interests allow corporate interests to enslave the electorate.

            and by your logic we don't want to let a fox into the henhouse, because a fox is already in the henhouse.

            Billion dollar presidential campaigns are for losers.

            by john de herrera on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:07:15 PM PDT

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            •  You forget that the 1789 convention (0+ / 0-)

              was charged only with modifying the Articles of Confederation. Constitutional conventions can do whaterver the hell they like, and in today's atmosphere enough people can be scared into passing their recommendations that we would be royally screwed.

              For proof, only look at how many people support the idea that the right of habeas corpus (forcing the government to state why you are being held) is threatening to our safety. Or at the lack of outrage that American citizens, arrested on American soil, have been thrown into military brigs and held incommunicado and in isolation for years without being charged.

              Asking for a convention to cure the current administration's abuse of power is like taking cyanie to cure a blister.

    •  A native of Philly, I keep track of the (1+ / 0-)
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      great political cartoons of Inquirer's Tony Auth.

      Today's a doozy: Several black-robed individuals
      (SCOTUS, perhaps?) are depicted patching back together, not unlike a jigsaw puzzle, the torn 'n tattered bits of the Constitution!

      Luvs it sooo much, must send an appreciative email to Auth!

      Aloha   ..  ..  ..

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