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  •  Tidbit about VT (3+ / 0-)

    it is, by the Census' definition, the most rural state in the union

    also, if you list each state's most populous city (e.g. New York, New York; Los Angeles, CA), Vermont's is the least populous

    •  Pfftt! (2+ / 0-)
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      Go spend a year in Nevada (someplace other than vegas), then try and make the same argument

      I don't buy it.

      John McCain voted against health care for kids.

      by Land of Enchantment on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 04:49:35 PM PDT

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      •  I buy it. (1+ / 0-)
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        See, you can't just "not count" Vegas. That's like the 600 lb gorilla of Nevada politics.  

        Or even if you don't, you still have those other Clark County suburbs like Henderson and Boulder City, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had more people than Vermont's largest, too.

        And then there's Reno.

        Just 'cause states got a lot of the Big Empty doesn't mean they're rural overall. Oregon has a Big Empty, too, and it's not considered rural, 'cause all the noise comes from Portland.  There's parts of San Berdoo County, CA, that have one person for every 15 square miles, and no one calls California rural.

        I take it your home state is NM? Man, that's gonna be a fun one to profile--you must be having the most interesting election year since Pajama Pete took office!

        "...And I woulda got away with it, if it hadn't been for that meddling Kos!" ---attributed to Tom DeLay

        by AdmiralNaismith on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 05:02:15 PM PDT

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        •  Nevermind spending a year there. (1+ / 0-)
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          I've spent time in Vermont, and in Nevada.  In Vermont, you're always within half a mile or less from a neighbor.  No way in Nevada.

          Play your census games with it.  But you'll never "get" the west if you wanna insist that it's more "rural" than Nevada, or Montana, or Alaska. Or, for that matter, New Mexico.  Western Nebraska, eastern Colorado. Wyoming fer chrissakes.

          You simply do not know of what you speak.

          Rural issues like access to health care?  Maintaining the electric grid, per customer?  How far schoolbusses have to go - and the mindboggling burden of increased gas prices thereon?  Vermont does not have those problems anything like the rural west does.

          You simply do not know what rural is if you want to argue otherwise.  Go spend a month in Crescent Valley, Nevada, where the nearest grocery store is 75 miles away, and the nearest gas station 40.  Try SE Oregon, where it could be 100 miles away if you need to fix a flat tire.

          Then we can talk about rural.  Otherwise?  You're just making shit up.

          John McCain voted against health care for kids.

          by Land of Enchantment on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 05:54:34 PM PDT

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          •  It's all in the definition (0+ / 0-)

            Most of the people in NV are urbanites.  It's actually one of the most urban states (91.4% urban), because it's hard to live in the desert.

            VT, OTOH, is only 38% urban

          •  Excuse me? (0+ / 0-)

            I LIVE in Oregon.  I know more about the west and the Big Empty than I do about Vermont.

            And it's hard to see how it can be insulting to talk about states as being "more rural" or "less rural" than others.

            You're certainly right about Nevada WITHOUT Clark and Washoe counties being about as rural as it's possible to get. It's just that the criteria they were probably using to measure Vermont meant the entire state, not just big sections of it.

            I also figure there's some sort of official definition of "rural" meaning a certain population density per square mile or something that may be counterintuitive, like having parts of Florida being farther west than parts of Michigan, or the explanation why this year does not really count as a "recession" economically even though by most people's criteria, the recession is damn obvious.  

            Plf515 brought up a counterintuitive quirky bit of trivia and you threw a fit.  I'm not sure why.  

            Here I was, sorta pleased to have a new political friend, and then this happens. I'm disappointed.

            Anyhow, I'll probably diary New Mexico within the next month. Hope you like the entry and don't get upset if there's something in there you don't like.

            "...And I woulda got away with it, if it hadn't been for that meddling Kos!" ---attributed to Tom DeLay

            by AdmiralNaismith on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:07:53 PM PDT

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