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  •  It's clearly less crass and obvious (4+ / 0-)

    But it's nevertheless undeniable--he's too smart to not catch these things. And I don't agree that it's different enough in intent, or style, to not be what it clearly is, subliminal messaging and pandering that is, in my opinion, a form of manipulation.

    Look, he's got to do what he thinks will win him not only the election, but a big enough mandate across the demographical, geographical and ideological spectrum to be able to govern effectively. I get that. And there's a large group of people who'll probably watch this and think "Oh, he's a decent man of values and faith", and be seduced. Which, of course, is what politicians do. But it's still cheap and obvious and manipulative, and the sort of thing that turns me off about politicians even though I know that to win, they have to do this, because most voters eat up this crap. E.g. kissing babies, wearing "regular guy" clothes, eating at greasy spoon diners, etc. I.e. stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with being a good president, like character, judgement, sophistication, smarts, experience, etc.

    But that's just me. I don't like kitsch.

    And we'll be right back...

    by kovie on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 02:56:58 AM PDT

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    •  One man's trash is another man's treasure (5+ / 0-)

      I'm not saying that it isn't "subliminal messaging or a form of manipulation" (pandering would imply a false portrayal of his views, which he isn't doing), but it's a lot smarter and a lot better. Some people might call it an effective marketing technique.

      You seem to understand well what politicians do to get elected, yet this degree of ad sophistication and "selling oneself" to the American public in a marketing effort is somehow cheap and degrading to you? This is just another demonstration of his judgment and intelligence.

      You may not like kitsch, but (I assume) you live in the country with the world's biggest ball of twine and Dollywood.

      Welcome to the general election campaign for president of the whole country.

      Nov. 4, 2008. Let's get ready to rumble.

      by trmasonic on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 03:18:47 AM PDT

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      •  Well, I also understand why many people (1+ / 0-)
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        stuff themselves with corn dogs, cheeseburgers and huge vats of greasy fries on a regular basis so that they look like upright hippos, but it doesn't mean that I can't view them as self-destructive sheeplike morons, which of course they clearly are.

        Yes, I am a snob, living in a nation filled with way too many clueless morons who need their "values" constantly validated and reassured to feel good about themselves.

        And I understand why Obama has to speak their "language".

        I just wish he didn't have to.

        And we'll be right back...

        by kovie on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 03:25:30 AM PDT

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        •  Oh to really pander to those people it would not (1+ / 0-)
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          be subliminal messaging, he'd have a crucifix on the wall or a picture of Jesus like my grandparents always had on theirs.

          But Obama has a better excuse than anyone who has run to be associated with things Christian with a good number of people thinking he is Muslim which in the rumor mill about him is scary terrorist lying Muslim

      •  Come on, Obama is not likely to have planned (3+ / 0-)

        this. He probably writes the words then the set and settings are designed for it by "professionals" who produce these things alll the time. He does probably approve what comes out but probably doesn't take , or even have, the time to figure all this out as you have.

        I wouldn't give him all the credit or discredit that you do.  This is why campaigns cost so much; have to hire pros who know how to appeal to the voters in mass, and especially the ones he doesn't have.

        He has got to fight the Muslim attribution and the "exotic" not one of us label.

        Bush and McCain and their Social Security Privatization Plan.

        by samddobermann on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 03:36:14 AM PDT

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