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  •  I in no way argue about socialization (0+ / 0-)

    when I taught 9th grade I had a number of students who had been homeschooled until they entered our desirable high school - they wanted to avoid the rest of the school system, and found no affordable alternatives in non-public setting.  Some of these students were quite well socialized, others were not, but it was no different than the kids who had been in public school all the way through - some were well socialized, others were not.

    The knowledge about history and government is not available to people who are (a) functionally illiterate in their native languages, and/or (b) lack access to resources on-line or through accessible public libraries and the like.  And that happens more often than you might think.

    I am happy that for you homeschooling has worked. Methinks you need to be a bit more cautious about extrapolating from your own experience.

    As noted, I am not hostile to homeschooling per se.  But it is not a feasible option for many, and I do not think you realize for how many it is not feasible.  And while there re things that can be learned from a variety of learning situations, the insights available from home-school settings are just as readily available in a variety of other settings as well, for those willing to look.

    Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

    by teacherken on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 08:37:23 AM PDT

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    •  methinks you could (1+ / 0-)
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      be less patronizing and condescending in this discussion.  Which I find curious given your generally thoughtful tone in your diaries, which I generally enjoy.

      You continue to miss what I am talking about here.  I am not discussing the viability of homeschooling or talking about how many people it is a feasible option for, although you keep returning to that issue. (and I only wanted to clarify points you made on that subject, which seemed to imply it was NEVER an option for those populations).

      I am not talking about the success of my own homeschooling either. I was talking about insights gained about children, learning, and education.  And given the sorry state of our current system, I think we need to keep open minds and look at things from as many angles as possible.

      It seems odd that you want to dismiss as redundant something that you evidently haven't really looked into in any depth. Author Dave Guterson, in particular (he's best known for Snow Falling on Cedars) has written particularly well about moving between the two worlds of homeschooling and teaching and what it has taught him as a high school teacher.  But I think you would particularly enjoy David Alpert.  if you have an open mind.  

      •  actually I have read a number of such works (0+ / 0-)

        but what I responded to is the way you seem to insist the only source of such insights is from the homeschooling experience.  I began by pointing out there was some limit to that experience, and similar experience is available from elsewhere.  You seemed to take offense to that.  I have no trouble with offering a number of insights, I merely chose to offer the cautions I did.  From that you seem to find me being patronizing, even though the only thing that might even come close was my warning about extrapolation of one's own experience.   I'm sorry if you took offense, since I intended none.

        As far as Ayers, I am in the processing of working on a review of a book by a protege of his, and I am quite well aware of the scope of his work.

        Have a nice day.  

        Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

        by teacherken on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 10:53:44 AM PDT

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        •  insist? (3+ / 0-)
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          I apologize if that is how you took my remarks, but I did state, I thought quite clearly, that it was "for me personally" that I  developed certain insights. I fail to see how that is insisting that is the only way to develop such insights,while in fact, offering up the book as a way to benefit from some of these insights was my point.  It just seems crazy to me that an educator would be avoiding expanding their horizons by reading about children and education from another perspective.

          I was merely offering up that this was a book I thought you would appreciate very much, given your focus on "the heart" in this essay, as it is a book very much about education and children and what a "curriculum of love" would look like.  I didn't expect to be lectured in return on how homeschooling isn't an option for everyone (as if I wouldn't know that, and I fail to see the relevance as to whether this would be a valuable book to read).  So the first instance of feeling treated as if you were not listening and were condescending.  Then you proceeded to make a comment implying you didn't need any insights from homeschooling writers, you could learn everything you needed to know elsewhere.  Which again seems condescending and patronizing, as if these homeschoolers certainly couldn't know anything you don't already know.  Then you make the "methinks" statement telling me what I need to do.  

          It has happened on more than one occasion that any discussion about education with non-homeschooling progressively minded people often goes off on a tangent like this, when the word "homeschooling" enters the discussion, and the discussion then becomes about whether or not it is a viable option for significant numbers of people, judgments of socialization aspects, or even more distressing, a discussion of how homeschooling is primarily a vehicle for intolerant religious fanatics to pass on their intolerance therefore it is a bad force in society.  When the original discussion was supposed to be about regular institutional education and ways that homeschooling is influencing how we look at education and how we look at children and how we look at families and society.  It simply isn't productive to turn the dialogue into a discussion of the merits of homeschooling.  Why even discuss your opinions on socialization whether they be positive or negative?  It was totally irrelevant to the comments I was making.  The positive value of homeschooling needs to be accepted as a given for any productive dialogue to take place.  

          I think you missed my joke re: Ayers, I was referring to the fact that he is currently seen by Republicans as a supposed albatross to help bring down Obama.  

          Hope you have a nice day too.

          •  sorry for any miscommunication n/t (2+ / 0-)
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            Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

            by teacherken on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 06:36:01 PM PDT

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            •  this is a thread about teaching (1+ / 0-)
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              school teaching

              Anyone who would like to start their own diary about homeschooling is totally free to do so.

              Rec's to teacherken for keeping his cool about his diary being hijacked (mho :) )

            •  You are both making good points (0+ / 0-)

              And it looks like both of you are in agreement.

              Mortimer Adler had some interesting words on the skills involved in quality discussion.  He believed that our first step is to "come to terms" with each other- to know exactly what is meant by what each other expresses before offering a critique.  

              The normal thing for anyone to do when they think that something that they are saying is being criticized from misunderstanding is to discredit what the other is saying.  It usually works better to ask clarifying questions to the point of being able to make the other person's argument.  

              Once we arrive at that, we are generally much more responsive to challenges to the idea.

    •  try this: (0+ / 0-)

      By William Ayers (ever heard of him recently?)

      "David Albert has written a vivid, detailed account of his family's adventures in homeschooling, a story bristling with lessons for parents of children of all ages, and, perhaps paradoxically, powerful lessons for teachers and school people as well. . .   Albert shows us what a curriculum of love might look like, . .David Albert's oddyssey--so much more than a journey--is essential reading for thoughtful, caring adults who are trying to make a positive difference in children's lives."

      still not interested?

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