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  •  Oh, good, mcjoan (10+ / 0-)

    Now you can fend off those calling you a troll for daring to express your disappointment in Obama's FISA stand.  I've been amazed at what appears to be the majority opinion on this site that the FISA vote isn't important.

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

    by TracieLynn on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:10:53 PM PDT

    •  Huh? (3+ / 0-)
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      gloryous1, wyvern, rhutcheson

      do you have some sort of poll or data that suggests that volks here don't believe the FISA vote is important?

      My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:12:16 PM PDT

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      •  I could even (1+ / 0-)
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        point to comments of yours calling someone a troll for supporting someone who asked for his/her money back from the Obama campaign over FISA.

        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

        by TracieLynn on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:16:54 PM PDT

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        •  Had to read (0+ / 0-)

          your comment 3 times for comprehension -- uh, and your point is about folks thinking FISA is important?  Rather than the troll money thingy that is.

          My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

          by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:22:23 PM PDT

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          •  I have seen it (0+ / 0-)

            said many, many times here - of course not by a front-pager or anyone that high-profile.  I didn't think to collect or bookmark them at the time.  If I come across some anytime soon, I'll link them for you.

            The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

            by TracieLynn on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:27:39 PM PDT

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      •  It's not a poll, (1+ / 0-)
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        but a comment from a front pager like

        Newspaper editorial boards tend to always care about FOIA, and in over 15 years of doing campaigns, I've never heard the issue raised outside of an editorial board meeting.

        in response to McJoan's FISA Fight: How's it Playing in a Swing State? is kind of indicative, maybe, unless it was all a horrible misunderstanding.

      •  I would second that, since just about (3+ / 0-)
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        every other diary for the past week and a day has been exactly about the FISA bill and how wanting it is, and how cowardly the House was to pass it and whether Obama has any power or desire to do what Dodd, Wyden, Feingold and Boxer are doing openly and loudly. Ergo, to stop it, kill it, postpone it, by any means necessary. If nothing else Obama could insist on passage only if immunity was taken out and thereby ensure a veto which would essentially kill it until after the election.

        It is a good thing imo to see editorials of major newspapers chiming in, i don't care what their motives are. Ours should be the same, protect our rights to free speech and privacy from search and seizure. What's wrong with that?

        Every day that passes gives the media and the public further opportunity to mass their opposition and for those still fence sitting or defending Obama's shilly shallying (he's too busy!!!!) to figure out what it means to them. If it isn't important why are you supporting the man who promises change and falls at the first hurdle?

    •  The follower mentality can get quite scary n/t (5+ / 0-)

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