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  •  Ummm...safe, legal, and rare? (4+ / 0-)

    What's unclear about that/ The issue here isn't intent--it's implementation and communication.

    Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

    by homogenius on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 02:12:02 PM PDT

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    •  That's what I mean. (2+ / 0-)
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      There seems to be a vacuum of the "safe, legal and rare" message.  I'm not saying that it's not being communicated, but I fear just not very effectively.

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      by browneyes on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 02:13:52 PM PDT

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      •  Fair point. Completely fair. (4+ / 0-)

        If we're not getting that message out, then we need to fix it.

        I just have my hackles up because Wallis is trying to make us the bad guys. We're the party that is actually willing to do the only thing that will reduce abortions--make contraception widely available and educate people in its proper use.

        I think it is disingenuous of Wallis to pretend that the Republican Party is more inclusive than it is and that the Democratic Party has not always been in favor of reducing abortions.

        Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

        by homogenius on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 02:17:17 PM PDT

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        •  You are 100% right. (1+ / 0-)
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          I believe if this message is communicated well, the right will be on the defensive on issues like providing education and contraception without parental notification, etc.

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          by browneyes on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 02:22:16 PM PDT

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        •  What he MAY be thinking is "putting it in the (0+ / 0-)

          pulpit conversation", where it is no longer wrong/right, roe/wade, for/against, but a "family strenghthening type discussion" that could be carried out, just like racial conversations and these new Toleration poll numbers reported by Pew.

          •  Which pulpits? (2+ / 0-)
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            It ain't gonna happen in most evangelical pulpits. Sure, there are moderate congregations and ministers in the mainline denominations. But the overwhelming majority of Catholic, Southern Baptist, Pentecostal and neo-Pente churches are a non-starter.

            I think most moderate churches are already having this discussion. But your fundamendalist, inerrantist, and dominionist factions are a lost cause.

            But I agree we can market this better to individual believers. But I'm not sure how much that will help this year--the religious right has invested decades in framing this issue and developing the "pro-life" brand.

            Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

            by homogenius on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 02:31:55 PM PDT

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            •  During tough economic times, preachers (0+ / 0-)

              have to deal with a LOT of crises, like health of the mother, or pre-natal diagnosed birth defects.  

              We don't know about all the inner workings, but I'm thinking Wallis is saying out loud what a lot of his peers are having to be quiet about, that reality sometimes trumps faith.

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