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    you've been entirely consistent in your ratings over the past couple weeks - anyone who says something negative about liberman gets a "troll" rating from you.  i've noticed because i see the ratings and wonder "who could possibly have rated this post as a troll?" and surprise! it was always you if the comment involved lieberman. i'm usually a pretty even-tempered fellow, but's it's really starting to piss me off.

    i'm glad you stepped forward to discuss it.  in asking why you rated this post of kevinA's with a 1, i accused you of skulking in the shadows. i apologize for that now that you've stepped out.  perhaps you've even adjusted your ratings to retract some of those 1's - when i looked earlier it was a steady stream of 1's and that's why i called you on it. if you did, i commend you for it.

    look, there is an objective definition of what the 1 rating is for: trolls.  you know very well what trolls are.  they're people who come around regularly with nothing to say, just trying to stir up trouble.  posts by regular posters slamming one candidate or another might be considered "marginal" (2) at worst, if they even deserve to bother with rating at all. looking at your ratings, i was tempted to give you a whole mess of 1's in return, but i'm not going to do it.  doubly so now that i've got into it with you.  i try not to rate people i'm having it out with, as the temptation to "teach them a lesson" via ratings should be avoided. and starting a ratings war is only bad news for both.

    your whole MO seems to be to try and punish other posters for having a negative view of joe lieberman.  perhaps you should stop and ask yourself why so many people have an intense dislike of your candidate.  on oldKos you used to blubber about how it was anti-semitism or something.  that's hogwash and you know it.  could it be because joe appears to contribute nothing to the discussion but GOP attack talking points?  could it be that the polls bear this out - he polls OK in states where people only know his name as al gore's running mate, but as soon as he shows up in person and people see what he's about his numbers drop like a rock?  (that's not bashing - that's the facts.) support him if you like, but you should be realistic about who you're supporting.

    face it, goVOTE, joe lieberman is persona non grata among kosters.  you acting like a jerk will only make it more  so. you want to discuss why joe is underrated or unfairly maligned, go ahead.  but trying to punish others for saying mean things about your daddy is just childish.

    •  Re: troll ratings (none)
      you've been entirely consistent in your ratings over the past couple weeks - anyone who says something negative about liberman gets a "troll" rating from you.
      As I said in the previous post, anyone who bashes gets a 1.  I have no problem with people not liking Lieberman.  

      i'm usually a pretty even-tempered fellow, but's it's really starting to piss me off.
      You need to get out more.  Call a friend!  Go do lunch.

      you know very well what trolls are.  they're people who come around regularly with nothing to say, just trying to stir up trouble.
      Bingo!  I view posts that seek to bash candidates counter-productive.  Bash a candidate, it helps Bush.  It ignites antagonism within the party.  Disagree with a candidate -- that's ok.  Common ground can be found among disagreements.

      posts by regular posters slamming one candidate or another might be considered "marginal" (2) at worst, if they even deserve to bother with rating at all.
      Regular posters sometimes bash, too.  The fact that they post a lot doesn't excuse them.  I'm sure you are a lovely person, but if you post something that (in your words) is "just trying to stir up trouble", that post is a troll post.  It doesn't have to stir up trouble amongst Dean supporters.  It can stir up trouble amongst the supporters of another candidate.

      perhaps you should stop and ask yourself why so many people have an intense dislike of your candidate.  on oldKos you used to blubber about how it was anti-semitism or something.  that's hogwash and you know it.
      Actually, what you write here is hogwash.  I never said that disliking Lieberman was anti-semitism.  And I never blubber.

      could it be because joe appears to contribute nothing to the discussion but GOP attack talking points?  could it be that the polls bear this out - he polls OK in states where people only know his name as al gore's running mate, but as soon as he shows up in person and people see what he's about his numbers drop like a rock?  (that's not bashing - that's the facts.)
      When you say that someone contributes nothing but GOP attack talking points, that's not a fact, that's an opinion.  I don't think he does that at all.  When you say that he polls OK in states where people only know his name, but as soon as he shows up his numbers drop, that doesn't happen all over.  That's not a fact.  That's incorrect.  He has campaigned in OK, PA, NY, and DE, for example, and is doing quite well in all of those states.  In other states, yes, as other candidates have campaigned, he has dropped.

      face it, goVOTE, joe lieberman is persona non grata among kosters.  you acting like a jerk will only make it more  so. you want to discuss why joe is underrated or unfairly maligned, go ahead.  but trying to punish others for saying mean things about your daddy is just childish.
      I am a koster, and Joe is not a persona non grata to me.  Is a koster someone who only agrees with kos?  Is a koster someone who only wants Dean to win?  I thought a koster was someone who wanted to beat Bush.  Do you want me to leave like the other Lieberman supporters have?  Is that what you are saying?  

      In any case, yes, I think that capturing Saddam Hussein is a good thing -- a tyrant has been captured today.  I think it gives a boost to Bush for the time being, and a small boost to Gephardt, Lieberman, Kerry and Edwards.  I think for the time being it muddles the afterglow of Dean's post-Gore bump, but all of this is temporary.  Give it a week, and there will be a new phase of ups and downs.

      •  Re: troll ratings (none)
        Bash a candidate, it helps Bush.  It ignites antagonism within the party.

        sigh. i couldn't agree more. if only you could convince your candidate of the wisdom of that.

        I am a koster, and Joe is not a persona non grata to me.  Is a koster someone who only agrees with kos?  Is a koster someone who only wants Dean to win?  I thought a koster was someone who wanted to beat Bush.

        fair enough.  i probably should have said "among 99% of kosters" or some such. i jump all over people for saying liberals are "unamerican" so i shouldn't imply you're not part of the community. so - yes, you are a fellow kossack.  we'll have to agree to disagree about joe lieberman.  you may well be the only lieberman supporter on kos, and from the standpoint of diverse viewpoints, it is pretty cool you're here.  but if you're going to support him here, i highly suggest you invest in a thicker skin.  and maybe you could talk to us, and lay off the ratings?  some people don't rate posts at all, and you're not winning any friends the way you've been going about it lately.  if seamus and i took the trouble to bring it up, you can be sure may others silently resent it.  there's plenty of other things i'd rather be doing than a flame war with you, trust me.  if i weren't snowed in hard i wouldn't even be on kos on a sunday afternoon.  but i am interested in dialog with people i disagree with, even if it's confrontational dialog.

        peace, dude. let's work together to beat bush.

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