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  •  I hate having to defend McCain (10+ / 0-)

    But no POW who came out of North Korea or Vietnam came out clean in the popular sense.  They had ways, ways they prepared us for in SERE school, to exploit and give information.  Ways to make people temporarily turn.

    It may be heroic if they put a gun to your head and asked you for information and you still didn't give info.  But they don't do that.

    They put a gun to the head of the youngest person there that you are responsible for.  And if they actually do kill him, you are living with that for the rest of your life.

    So be careful with the word collaborator as applied to a person whose whole environment is controlled

    It looks just like a Telefunken U47 - with leather...

    by Jeffersonian Democrat on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:37:49 PM PDT

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    •  The problem as I understand it (2+ / 0-)
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      was McCain was given the opportunity to get out of prison. The same opportunity many soldiers were given. They merely had to say that the US was waging an illegal war and testify to the horrors that the US was forcing upon Vietnam. They all refused. Not just McCain.

      It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -- Thomas Jefferson

      by AtlantaJan on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:16:29 PM PDT

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      •  according to Col. Hackworth and his (0+ / 0-)

        research into this, the most decorated officer in VN.  Three other POWs who were there witnessed his commanding officer ordering him not to leave and McCain followed orders.

        So if you give credit to three unsubstantiated witnesses to his own unsubstantiated account, he's blowing that out of proportion.  He's just a guy who was there, not anything exceptional, just like all the other POWs.

        BTW, McCain did say that, on film and in his own memoirs, but that is not one of the things I fault him for.  I fault him for other things while a POW, Naval officer, and senator.

        It looks just like a Telefunken U47 - with leather...

        by Jeffersonian Democrat on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 06:24:40 PM PDT

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      •  In his book, (0+ / 0-)
        he claims they wanted to send him home but he refused thinking they wanted to score points because of his father's position in the military.  And possibly his grandfathers.  That it would disgrace their service and be a psyche coup of his captors.  So he stayed.  

        insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

        by zenobia on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 10:41:21 AM PDT

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