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  •  I really don't like this line of attack against (0+ / 0-)

    McCain. If we were so angry here when Saxby Chambliss ran an ad attacking Max Cleland linking him to Bin Laden, I don't see how questioning McCain's military service is fair. But the ultimate reason is that I don't see how it benefits our cause. I don't see any positive political gain coming out of it.

    •  "Questioning McCain's military service" (2+ / 0-)

      is where you go wrong. It's the meme being smeared out there but it's BS. Have you read the text of what Clark actually said? Seen it perhaps?

      CLARK: Because in the matters of national security policy-making, it's a matter of understanding risk. It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands of millions of others in the Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in the Air -- in the Navy that he commanded, it wasn't a wartime squadron. He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, "I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not. Do you want to take the risk? What about your reputation? How do we handle it" --

      SCHIEFFER: Well --

      CLARK: -- "publicly?" He hasn't made those calls, Bob.

      SCHIEFFER: Well -- well, General, maybe he --

      CLARK: So --

      SCHIEFFER: Could I just interrupt you? If --

      CLARK: Sure.

      SCHIEFFER: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean --

      CLARK: Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.

      Have you?

      SCHIEFFER: Really?

      •  Again (1+ / 0-)
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        Jon Bird

        I guess that I don't see how anyone expects our side to gain from this issue. It's not a political winner.

        •  So what is? (1+ / 0-)
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          McCain's own self-proclaimed main qualification for the Presidency is this personal history. So why would someone's main qualification, in his own estimation, be not worth going after, politically?

          It's important to separate, is my point. This is not Swift Boating. The Swift Boaters didn't say "John Kerry's brave service in Vietnam doesn't automatically translate into what's needed to be President". If they had, that would have been fine.  That's not what they did, and what they did is not being done here.

          •  Most people aren't going to see it that (1+ / 0-)
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            Jon Bird

            way. That's the point. Average American voter will see it as someone maligning McCain's military service.

            •  First they ignore you (1+ / 0-)
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              Judgment at Nuremberg

              then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.

              Cowering in fear of being called soft on terror (or hard on soldiers or etc etc etc) didn't work so well as a strategy.

              If there's anything that this episode has demonstrated, it's that in the minds of many A)  McCain's history is his main qualification for President, and B) this is not allowed to be questioned.

              Not anymore.

              Sorry, I just disagree. It's a win win, and Clark is still a brave soldier if you ask me. Far more than the hyperventilating McCain.

              •  No it's not (1+ / 0-)
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                Jon Bird

                I don't see it as a win-win. Outside of this board I don't think people agree with you. If I am wrong I'll admit it, but I don't see Obama benefiting from this brouhahaha.

                •  Maybe he'll have to explain the rest (0+ / 0-)

                  of his "experience".

                  I'd say killing over 150 seamen and putting a carrier into drydock for over 2 years of repairs just because you are a frelling hot-dog is not sound presidential type judgement.

                  But Holy State (we have lived to learn) Endeth in Holy War. - Kipling

                  by nargel on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 03:57:43 AM PDT

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