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  •  I don't see anything wrong with this approach. (2+ / 0-)
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    Withdrawing from Iraq (which I firmly believe is Obama's intention) will be a delicate and complex operation.  We'll need to have a viable plan in place with the Iraqi governement and with surrounding states in the region.

    Pulling every last troop out by such-and-such a date, circumstances be damned, seems like a rash course of action.

    I believe Obama wants to remove all troops as quickly as possible, but also trust him to do it in the best manner possible.  That might not include a chiseled-in-stone withdrawal timetable.

    •  It's not possible to have all troops out in less (1+ / 0-)
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      than probably a few years, just because withdrawing that many troops from an occupation is very complicated, like you said. That has nothing to do with whether the preznit wants to withdraw them in a hurry or not.

      Of course a lot of them would be gone before that time, it's not like we wouldn't know if troops are being pulled out or not.

      The issue is more, if we are downsizing the occupation, how far? And what will the role of the remaining troops be?

      Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose. -Barack Obama

      by klizard on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 07:56:52 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      I think we MUST have a timetable. Of course I've also been in favor of cutting off funding for a long time.

      •  We should have a timetable, but there are limits (1+ / 0-)
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        on how fast it can be, because of the logistics of pulling out an occupation force. I think the point is more that just because we want all the troops out in a year, doesn't mean we actually can do that. And, again, I'm not saying there isn't a world of difference between really pulling out the troops and pretending to, or that we won't know in much less than 2-3 years which one is happening.

        Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose. -Barack Obama

        by klizard on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:11:31 AM PDT

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        •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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          cato, klizard

          I just take exception with the idea that because we can't predict everything we should just skip the timetable. A timetable is a plan, a set of goals. Yes, conditions may muck it up - but that doesn't mean you skip making goals entirely.

          •  Agree that (0+ / 0-)

            benchmarks are needed, but Obama needs some flexibility to adapt to realities on the ground as well.  If I didn't have confidence that he intends to pull our troops out, then I would be more anxious to see a set timetable.

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