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  •  If FISA were to hurt his chances (0+ / 0-)

    which it won't since most Americans don't even know their rights well enough to see when they're losing them, Obama would have only himself to blame.

    "They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality...and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening."

    by Sagebrush Bob on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:34:28 PM PDT

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    •  First of all, who cares if he only has himself (3+ / 0-)
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      to blame?  I just want him to win, I don't want him to lose in a way that so you can feel blameless.
      Second of all, I think his position is more likely to help him win.  But I think that your complaining about it in public reverses a lot of that gain.  In other words, he may gain 3% with his new position on FISA, but lose 4% as a result of your carping about the issue and making him look bad.  So you may be turning a potential gain into a loss.  All for a bill that he is likely to modify when he gets in the White House.  I can't think of a more naive, self-destructive position than the one you are taking, although I don't dispute the strength of your principles.
      This is a must win election.  I don't know why you would want to jeopardize that just to maintain the purity of your principles (and your need to publicize them over the internet).

      •  I'm a lifelong Democrat (1+ / 0-)
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        but I'm an American first - Democrat second.

        "They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality...and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening."

        by Sagebrush Bob on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:44:27 PM PDT

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        •  If you're an American first, (2+ / 0-)
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          you'll do everything you can to help Obama win.  Keep your eye on the ball.  We must end this nightmare of Republican rule.  This country is in terrible trouble as a result of what the Repubs have done over the last 8 years; hell, over the last 28 years.  Do your patriotic duty as an American and do everything you can to ensure Obama's election.

          •  Our responsibility as an Americans (1+ / 0-)
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            goes far beyond electing Obama.

            "They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality...and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening."

            by Sagebrush Bob on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:52:12 PM PDT

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            •  This is pointless (1+ / 0-)
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              If you think that in 2008 your responsibility is anything other than to ensure Obama's victory over McCain, then I am wasting my time.  If indeed you are a Democrat, then you are just like the purist Nader voters who saw no difference in 2000 between Bush and Gore.  I spent too many hours trying to convince them that the difference between those 2 candidates was as wide as the Grand Canyon; they wouldn't listen, and now there is a special place in Hell waiting for them.
              I hope you see the light.  If not, I hope McCain doesn't win and put you in Guantanamo.

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