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  •  so you're compounding your lies with more lies (0+ / 0-)

    and baby talk?

    The answer, my lying baby friend, is as follows. See if you can spot anything besides "FISA" in this passage:

    First of all, obviously Obama is a great candidate who is running a great 50-state race. That much cannot be denied. But he's had a rough couple of weeks.

    First, he reversed course and capitulated on FISA, not just turning back on the Constitution, but on the whole concept of "leadership". Personally, I like to see presidents who 1) lead, and 2) uphold their promises to protect the Constitution.

    Then, he took his not-so-veiled swipe at MoveOn in his "patriotism" speech.

    Finally, he reinforced right-wing and media talking points that Wes Clark had somehow impugned McCain's military service when, in reality, Clark had done no such thing.

    All of a sudden, there was a lot of cowering when, just days ago, we got to read this:

       When Mr. Wenner asked how Mr. Obama might respond to harsh attacks from Republicans, suggesting that Democrats have "cowered" in the past, Mr. Obama replied, "Yeah, I don’t do cowering."

    Could've fooled me, and maybe he is. Maybe what looks like cowering to me is really part of that "moving to the center" stuff everyone keeps talking about. But there is a line between "moving to the center" and stabbing your allies in the back out of fear of being criticized. And, of late, he's been doing a lot of unecessary stabbing, betraying his claims of being a new kind of politician. Not that I ever bought it, but Obama is now clearly not looking much different than every other Democratic politician who has ever turned his or her back on the base in order to prove centrist bona fides. That's not an indictment, just an observation.

    •  FISA's there. (0+ / 0-)

      That's all that's necessary. You lose again.

      You really suck at this. I think you should stop.

      •  Oh, I forgot YOU make all the rules! (0+ / 0-)

        Your assertion was that I've only commented on "FISA diaries" since June 23rd. (Again, I have no idea why this is relevant to anything, but you seem to think it is.) Reasonable people (or even you) could reasonably disagree as to the definition of a "FISA diary," but it's hard to see how a short reference to FISA within a rather long post covering several topics would be considered a "FISA diary" by anyone who isn't predetermined to see it that way because he'd otherwise have to admit a mistake. It's rather like calling the Bill of Rights a "religion diary."

        In fact, did you happen to notice the tags for that so-called "FISA diary"? They're as follows: "Barack Obama, president, 2008." Oddly enough, no mention of FISA! Maybe you should go tell Kos he doesn't understand what his own posts are about. Maybe you could call him a few names and use some of your cutesy baby talk in the process -- you seem to think it helps you win arguments.

        •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

          Maybe you should... maybe you should... maybe you should... maybe you should.... maybe you should...

          Bip bip bip bip....

          Would you like me to admit a mistake?

          OK, it turns out that one of your previous 57 comments was in a diary that didn't have FISA in the tags, but was in fact the very same post that was at the heart of almost every complaint from FISA stiffs for the past week.

          But hey, it wasn't it the tags!


          Now will you shut the fuck up and stop pretending it proves I "lied?"

          What are you, five?

          •  Are you being intentionally ironic... (0+ / 0-)

            by asking if I'm five? I mean, just look at your comments preceding the question. It's definitely ironic, but I'm just not sure you meant it that way.

            Anyway, you're right that this one incident doesn't necessarily prove you're a liar, but it fits a pattern of blatant disregard for the facts, which leads me to believe you're quite comfortable telling lies if you think it'll help win an argument. You wildly misstated the frequency (and timing) of my comments in FISA diaries. You've more than once completely mischaracterize the content of my comments. You willfully ignored the nature of Kos's essay. Yesterday you claimed to believe I'm a lovely guy, and today you called me the world's biggest dick because I added another few comments disagreeing with you. Sorry, but you're not coming across as a credible person. You're coming across as a guy who's willing to say just about anything to prove he's never wrong about anything, ever. An occasional mistake is understandable -- I, for example, overlooked the fact that your real name is posted in the "about" section when I claimed you blog anonymously, and I happily admit that mistake -- but repeatedly attacking a person with "facts" that you've just made up out of thin air -- that's a very different story.

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