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  •  Don't we need 40 senators to stop this thing? (0+ / 0-)

    It's the constitution, stupid

    by CTMET on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:21:02 PM PDT

    •  It may take years to get them there-- (0+ / 0-)

      or to create enough political heat to turn some votes--but that is the task we face.

      We'll see what happens tomorrow, and after the election.

      Habeas Corpus:See Hamilton quoting Blackstone in The Federalist Papers, number 84.

      by Ignacio Magaloni on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:31:05 PM PDT

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    •  We need 60 (1+ / 0-)
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      to vote for the Bingaman amendment, or 51 to vote for Dodd/Feingold. That would get us a Bush veto and we'd have to start over. It's already gotten past cloture.

      Those amendments aren't going to pass, so now it's about keeping the core 30 or 31 together to continue to pressure them to fix it next year.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by Joan McCarter on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:32:51 PM PDT

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      •  It's a done deal (1+ / 0-)
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        We're not going to get the votes next year. We lost. The 4th amendment lost. Bush won. I honestly don't see much of a difference between the 2 parties.

        "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

        by jfern on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 05:18:02 PM PDT

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