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  •  Absolutely ... (5+ / 0-)
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    it not an either/or, but we should have both sensible energy and sensible privacy policy (and sensible fiscal, health care, environmental, etc ...)

    •  I would arge the other direction... (1+ / 0-)
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      and claim that you can't have freedom at all without a sound energy policy.

      And if you need a good example, consider the events of today: as far as I can tell, the Bush administration's response to Iran is limited to diplomacy or sanctions, because our precarious energy situation precludes any kind of military response. I'm not suggesting yet another idiotic military mistake in the Middle East, but what I am suggesting is that if that were a viable option otherwise, it would have to be taken off the table because it would impact quite negatively our energy supply.

      Sane energy policy IS national security freedom.

      ~Doc~

      -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

      by EquationDoc on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:15:25 PM PDT

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      •  We are probably in a lot of agreement ... (0+ / 0-)
      •  That is a facetious argument. (0+ / 0-)

        That bush does not attack Iran because we cannot afford the oil shocks, therefore this is sane decision-making and furthers our freedom.

        My gawd... sorry to rain on your parade, but that is horrible reasoning.

        bush is on his way out the door. He is a whiny incompetent megalomaniac. To equate his screw-ups and chest-beating idiocy with "sane" energy policy is a fallacy.  

        We have lost time, valuable time, without a doubt.  But, we can move quickly down a better path soon.

        We don't have to offer up our civil rights and liberties in the interim.

        <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

        by bronte17 on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 08:12:19 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah I know...hence the subjunctive tense... (0+ / 0-)

          "if that were a viable option otherwise."

          Nowhere did I suggest Bush was a sane decision maker. In fact, while I used Bush and Iran as a specific example, I was trying to make a more general point: so long as we have an insane energy policy, energy considerations will affect the national security decisions of any president. Moreover, it will affect pretty much every decision of every president. (And if it doesn't affect the decision making process, it will affect the success or failure of such decisions.)

          I think either you mis-read my original comment, or else I was unclear in my comment. I'll claim it was the former :) and assume you would claim it was the latter :) in which case hopefully this comment clarifies it. ;)

          ~Doc~

          -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

          by EquationDoc on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:46:17 PM PDT

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