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  •  It's sickening to see (5+ / 0-)

    progressives jumping on this story, hoping to exploit his sex life for political gain.

    Yet another alleged principle gets sacrificed on the altar of "we need to win" pragmatism.

    Grow up.

    •  Cheat much? nt (4+ / 0-)

      "Need some wood?" George W. Bush, 2004

      by kratos on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 02:07:19 PM PDT

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    •  Not exactly, McCain voted to convict Bill Clinton (22+ / 0-)

      during the impeachment episode, thus politicizing the sexual encounter, so if it's an issue for Clinton, why not McCain.  It's not about winning, it's about consistency.

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 02:12:48 PM PDT

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    •  Exploit his sex life? (22+ / 0-)

      I don't care about that.  The point is that the Straight TalkerTM is caught in another lie.

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by Barbara Morrill on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 02:14:07 PM PDT

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    •  I disagree strongly (17+ / 0-)

      I disagree with you strongly! How a man treats his wife is a very good indicator of what kind of person he is at his core. Ask your wife, mother, sister or daughter if they think this is a story or not. If you don't think this goes to the heart of who McCain is, then please step aside, read another diary, and let the folks who do understand spread the word.

      A word after a word after a word is power. -- Margaret Atwood

      by tmo on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 02:15:15 PM PDT

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      •  since we don't know what the relationship was (1+ / 0-)
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        like, we don't know if it involved mistreatment. I do get the point about hypocrisy. It's valid to bring that up, especially around the impeachment, which was apalling.

        But I don't actually care about a president's sex life, unless it involves torture, or children or animals, I guess. I get it that women don't like it when men--their husbands--  sleep with younger women, and maybe they're right; maybe there are more personal individual reasons for why relationships end.

        I don't think I want a sexually frustrated president, or a sadist.

        But 'adultery' is between consenting adults, and normal sexuality doesn't always fit into the prescribed form of monogamous nuclear marriage for life, even if you sign onto it thinking it does.

        I don't really care about McCain's sex life, and no-- sleeping with another consenting adult, when you are still in a relationship with someone else, isn't that great but it isn't such a big deal either.  

        Most of the family rectitude we see in politicians is fake anyway. I wouldn't jump all over this.

        •  disagree. Sex is between consenting adults, but (2+ / 0-)
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          'adultery' involves a third person...the spouse.
          If his extra-marital-sex life is so normal, why then does he continue to 'hide it'??  

          But 'adultery' is between consenting adults, and normal sexuality doesn't always fit into the prescribed form of monogamous nuclear marriage for life, even if you sign onto it thinking it does.

          Where people fear the government there is tyrany: "Where the government fears the people, you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson

          by ROADRUNNER DEM on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 05:39:19 PM PDT

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    •  This is a hypocritical group of people (13+ / 0-)

      The GOP, that is.

      The GOP campaigns on family values and character.  Part of the GOP's branding, firmly cemented via the carnival-like devouring of Bill Clinton's sexual foibles, is that they represent decent, moralistic, family-centered stability.  This "values" is the weapon with which they justify all manner of things: from antichoice activism to denying marriage rights to gay people.

      The fact that the McCains' history is not as it currently appears to much of the country is fair game for a party which prides itself on "values voters."

      It is certainly not abusive to note that McCain has been married twice.

      •  Being married twice is not a moral stain. eom. (1+ / 0-)
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        •  Of course it isn't (7+ / 0-)

          I totally agree with that.  But posturing and presenting phony stories of those marriages because the reality is not consistent with the GOP "values" platform is a fair news item.  That's my opinion.  The GOP can impeach a Dem president for having sex using "values" as a justification, then we can at least make it be known to their busybody voters that the McCains' real story isn't what they think it is.

          •  I agree as far as pointing it out-- I just (1+ / 0-)
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            don't think we should become like them as far as entering into --and maybe I'm reaching here, but a Ken-Starr-like prurient sort of dwelling on what you are ostensibly condemning.. .

            •  I understand where you're coming from (7+ / 0-)

              But I don't think the GOP gets to have it both ways: posture and grandstand when it comes to controlling what everyone else is doing, while some of their most prominent politicians are hardly paragons of virtue but get to just lie and say they are.

              Somebody seems to like to making commercials mocking some of the things that went on in the 60s.  Well, seems like somebody had his own little summer of love, cheating on a disabled wife (rumor has it with multiple women) and chasing his new squeeze all over the country.  I feel no guilt pointing out the hypocrisy. :-)

    •  Its not the sexlife (5+ / 0-)

      Its the fake back story.  Not to mention the very prolonged "immaturity."

      Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

      by barbwires on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 03:08:16 PM PDT

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    •  I look at how we have become (1+ / 0-)
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      in many instances all too alike the other side in the campaign game.

      We have such an edge on issues and substance as people run from the Republicans.  Dropping to their level, as here, may provide a short term gain, but in the end paints us in a similar hue to those we criticize.

      I agree with the comment 100%.

    •  You've missed the point. (3+ / 0-)
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      The story is not about the fact that McCain is an adulterer, but that he's a fraud.  How does one "forget" that he had an affair while still married to (and, according to court documents filed by McCain himself, still living with) the mother of his children?  There are three possible answers:  (1) McCain's memory is like a sieve (due to age, senility, or some other physical impairment); or (2) he has no regard whatsoever for the truth (much less for his first wife); or (3) some combination of 1 & 2.  Whatever the answer, it should disqualify the McCain (indeed, anyone) from public office.

      Time and time again, McCain has been caught in a lie about what he's said, done, or said he's done in the past.  In many instances, the "past" has been just a matter of hours.  Is it memory lapses?  (Yeah, sure!!  He doesn't remember whether or not he has an opinion of whether or not insurance coverage should be required for Viagra AND birth control!!) Perhaps he just doesn't listen to what he's saying?  Or is it that he doesn't care what he's says because he'll say whatever he has to to get where he wants to be?  Whatever the explanation, McCain's recurring inability or unwillingness to acknowledge facts (i.e., the truth) shows nothing but disdain for his constituents and for the American people.

    •  It's fair game mainly because McCain has pushed (3+ / 0-)
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      the "character" narrative forward. He also is a member of a political party that has spent the last 40 years acting like it is morally superior to the rest of us. This issue is fair game because Republicans present themselves as the "party of family values".

    •  Right On, David (0+ / 0-)

      Shame on any progressive who wants to snoop around someone's bedroom.  This community is no better than the Republicans when we start this stuff.  I too am sickened.  

      Just remember what happened to the Republicans when they impeached Bill Clinton.  They lost two Speakers of the House and more.  

      Anything in the name of political expediency.  What happened to the issues?  They've been left in the dust so these so-call progressives can play in the mud.  Shame on them.

      •  disagree. This is the issue...liar or not? (1+ / 0-)
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        We already have endured 8 years of a President who 'LIED' us into an illegal, immoral war.  Never again!  Especially with someone who glibly throws around jokes like "bomb, bomb, Iran'.
        Clinton may have lied to cover up his affair to spare his family from embarrassment...wrong.  But I dont believe he ever lied us into global danger.
        McCain, however, seems to live only for his past military history & to show himself off as this tough 'Warrior-type' macho man.  Enough.
        When he lies about his voting record, lies about his support among veterans groups, lies about having an adulterous relationship for 9 months when his 1st wife was so terribly injured and he said he was disgusted with her...
        When he was one of the 'Keating five' who barely held onto his senate seat, when one of his best friends/Phil Gramm is part of the reason for the housing/banking emergency we're having...I think we need to examine this man very carefully.
        This goes beyond some prurient interest.

        Where people fear the government there is tyrany: "Where the government fears the people, you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson

        by ROADRUNNER DEM on Fri Jul 11, 2008 at 05:49:57 PM PDT

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