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  •  DoD does not publish their stuff on line (1+ / 0-)
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    for some reason ;-)

    I can't comment for lack of knowledge, but I do know DoD has invested time and effort in panflu prep. Their age group is at risk, their health labs like NAMRU-2 in Indonesia and NAMRU-3 in Egypt are key players, they remember 1918, and they tend to hang out overseas.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:24:40 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly why the comment was not valid. (1+ / 0-)
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      It had the ring of tin foil hattery with super duper extra secret, area 51 way huge spending by military that only the author know about.

      US Defense Dept. would need to build an immunization system parallel to the international one that does the detection, research and production of flu vaccines.

      That would be impossible to hide especially since the detection system for necessary epidemiological reasons is based in China.

      US dollars are best spent on beefing up the international detection, research and vaccine production system vs. trying to get people in US to plan for 6 months of survivor.

      •  absolutely (1+ / 0-)
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        we need a rebuilding of public health infrastructure exactly as you suggest.

        individuals, however, can prep. That's not the govt's job, though informing the public as to 'why' would help.

        The above is not either/or.  Both are needed.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 09:45:16 AM PDT

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        •  Individuals can prepare...but won't. Human nature (0+ / 0-)

          Expecting individuals to prepare for disasters with 1-6 months supplies of food and energy is not realistic.  We watch people move back to burned out, flooded homes year after year and that's with fires, floods and storms of 1-10 year frequency much less the 100 year plus possibility of a flu epidemic.

          It's just not going to happen.

          Only practical solution from government standpoint is to beef up vaccine system and treatment systems, provide funding for civic authorities to prepare and practice with what resources they have.

          Those are going to be relatively modest amounts, $10B per year range.

      •  alas, the comment IS valid (0+ / 0-)

        The Defense Department develops all the vaccines against potential BW weapons.

        They spend a lot of money on doing that. And under Bush, they've spent a lot more.

        Here's a link on USAMRIID research into anthrax vaccines:

        http://www.globalsecurity.org/...

        Here's one on a ricin vaccine:

        http://www.globalsecurity.org/...

        Chikungunya:

        http://flutrackers.com/...

        Botulin toxin:
        http://ard.unl.edu/...

        And it's no tinfoil-hat secret.  It's in every Defense Department appropriation request.  And it makes the press from time to time, too:

        http://goliath.ecnext.com/...

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        by Lenny Flank on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:19:03 AM PDT

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        •  old news? most links if not all are pre-2006 (0+ / 0-)

          when the PAHPA Act changed the rules and moved it to BARDA

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 10:57:58 AM PDT

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          •  indeed (0+ / 0-)

            but much of the vaccine program is still funded by the military (even much of the research beoing done by academics and medical research centers is funded under grants by the military), and still is directed towards military goals, not civilian (how many cases of chikungunya or ricin poisoning have there been in the US in the past ten years? -- those vaccines have virtually no public health value in the US, but they are great potential biological weapons, and a workable vaccine is the prerequiste for their military use).

            This IS old news.  That's the problem.  It's been happening ever since the neocons gutted the 1973 BW Convention, shortly after assuming power.

            But as I said before, it is happening with nary a mention in the US.  Virtually no one knows about the Bushites' huge expansion of the American biological warfare program -- including, it seems, most of here at DKos.

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            by Lenny Flank on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 11:10:07 AM PDT

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            •  I laugh in the general direction (0+ / 0-)

              of anyone complaining about what we haven't covered who hasn't diaried it first.

              What do you think the right side of the page is for??

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 02:37:13 PM PDT

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              •  doh, that would mean time and research and . . . (1+ / 0-)
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                Oh, OK . . . .

                ;)

                It'd be easier for everyone just to google "bush biological weapons" (and filter out all the Iraq BS).

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                by Lenny Flank on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 04:54:26 PM PDT

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