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  •  Bush was OK, for Bush (none)
    Kerry was great and presidential, but he still did a better job of critiquing Bush than proposing his own solutions.

    Bush came off as reasonably moderate (except when he talked about the International Court), and he succeeded at not coming across as a drunken idiot. The problem, though, was that he spoke in a very shaky, scared kind of way. I was wondering whether he has some kind of phobia or if maybe he really does suffer from some kind of post-traumatic stress disorder.

    •  Right, (none)
      he just came across as a sober idiot.

      USA Out Of Iraq Now!

      by jazzmaniac on Thu Sep 30, 2004 at 10:27:21 PM PDT

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    •  huh? (none)
      " if maybe he really does suffer from some kind of post-traumatic stress disorder."

      What?  To have PTSD one would logically have had to suffer stress.  When the bloody fuck has Bush ever suffered from stress?  Rich family, hoity-toity prep school, Ivy League colleges (complete with Daddy Donation Diplomas), a cushy posting in a champagne unit in the reserves during Vietnam*, board posistions ala Daddy, bailouts as a business strategy, and Presidency via SCOTUS.  Where is the stress in that?  It's like Louis XIV complaining being King of France c.1670 is such a demoralizing and Sparatan existence.  I'd give my left nut to have George Bush's "stress."  On second thought, I'd give his left nut; after tonight's shellacking, it isn't like he's gonna need them anytime soon - hope Laura's little buddy just got some new Energizers.

      * Not to mention the only "I'll tell my superiors what I'll do today" set-up in the entire history of human warfare.

      •  Stress (none)
        When the bloody fuck has Bush ever suffered from stress?

        I think he may have suffered from some tonight!

      •  The death of his sister Robin (none)
        He was about 6 when it happened, and it came as quite a shock to him by all accounts, since his parents did not tell him she was dying until after she had passed away (and there were reports of how badly this affected him at the time).  

        You can go through something traumatic at that age and still be haunted for life (I know this from personal experience, as I still suffer from PTSD for events that took place beginning when I was 3 years old).

        This does NOT mean that he gets a free pass for what he has done to the nation and to the world in my book (especially since I doubt PTSD played a part in his performance tonight anyway) but I would imagine that he DOES have some emotional issues that could use some resolution, and I hope that someday he finds a measure of peace.

        •  I don't care... (none)
          And I have no sympathy for that fucker.  Maybe his family sucked ass, but he sucks ass too.  It's his sister who died, the country might have been better off if it had been him.  

          In Britain they admit to having royalty. In the United States we pretend we don't have any, and then we elect them president.

          by Asak on Fri Oct 01, 2004 at 12:27:23 AM PDT

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        •  Not only that (none)
          but they put her in the ground without a funeral and THEN George and Bar came home from New York (where she was getting treatment) and THEN told him she was dead.  George and Bar also acted like it was no big deal around the kids so as not to "traumatize" them.

          I'm not saying this as any kind of excuse.  I'm just saying this as evidence that George W. Bush was taught from a very young age not to have any empathy for anyone else.

          What I'm saying is that the President of the United States is a sociopath. And that his father, also a President, and his mother made him that way.

          "The hamster was never quite the same after that"--Alexandra Kerry

          by LeftCoastTimm on Fri Oct 01, 2004 at 02:40:15 AM PDT

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      •  Stress comes from knowing... (none)
        you're a total fuck-up, your dad will never respect you, and you're constantly trying to be something you're not.  (i.e., competent)

        Liberals are conservatives who have been through treatment.

        by marjo on Fri Oct 01, 2004 at 05:42:01 AM PDT

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      •  9-11 was probably very stressful for him (none)
        I don't like the way Bush handled 9-11, but clearly, the stuff that happened to him that day was pretty terrifying.

        He really thought he was physically under attack. Maybe he was physically under attack. (My sense is that, for security or propaganda reasons, the government is not telling us much about the attacks it stops).

        If he has PTSD, then that's not a knock against him, really. But you have to wonder if the PTSD is causing him to take actions (quickly invading Iraq) that he wouldn't have taken if he were in a different frame of mind.

      •  One can have all the privilege in the world ... (none)
         ... and still suffer, Phalamir. I can understand your anger towards GWB, but ...

        I feel more anger, disgust and anxiety due to  the immense body of people who have supported, excused, spun for, fed poisoned policies into, lied for, engaged in dirty tricks with this clearly incompetent, out of his league, bankrupt of sound ideas president  than I have for the man himself.

        That our system is so bankrupt that day after miserable day we and our party only seemed to be saying, He cant do THAT, can HE? DeLay cant do THAT, can he? And then they did IT and they did IT and they did IT ... shows us that we face a far graver problem than simply who we elect. Or, actually, that is a major clue to our problem.

        QUESTION: Is our nation doomed to be this seesaw, four years up, eight or twelve years down, eight years back, try to get back up to ten percent of what we lost ... till they get up again and lose us another 20 on our way down?

        What Bush's tenure has shown me, besides all the terrible things he and his crew have done, is that, worse than that, is the ease with which those things were able to be done.

        Our system is creaky, rife with corruption and we cannot simply rely on this roller coaster ride, this spin of the wheel every four years brings, with all the attendant nail-biting attention, money, time that must be paid to it, at the expense of so much else that needs focus, action, change.

        We need to change a lot of things. Like sticking in the worst shit, onto bills that are in another league altogether, or onto gargantuan omnibus bills, on the Congress ceding its obligation to authorize war, nonpublicly funded campaigns, media monopolies .... on and on and on.

        Bush was the terrible price we (and all his victims worldwide) paid to let it get as bad as it has and give our sleepy/overworked selves a flashing, sky-high danger sign. While Kerry, as president, affords us breathing space to right our ship from its Titanic like course and is wholly necessary for us, his presidency is not THE solution.

        It's only a pause in time to begin to seriously attack the immense problem of our leaky creaky rusting obsolete ship of state.

        Because if we dont, we leave ourselves vulnerable to the same shit and even more weakening until the cancer is too great and we meet the fate of every other empire as it writes its own most shameful and hurtful entries in the history books, on the way down.

        "It's the POLICY, Stupid! ... Our ONE-sided support for ISRAEL" Top CIA analysts concur on why America is losing hearts, minds, security.

        by NYCee on Fri Oct 01, 2004 at 08:26:54 AM PDT

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