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  •  Where have I seen this type of thing before? (0+ / 0-)
    I bet you are all going to throw a party when we finally have Canadian style "Human Rights Commissions" in the US.

    So let me get this straight. You didn't like what the man wrote nor where the paper in question chose to print what he wrote in the pages that they control? So you demand it be removed and an apology?

    Why?

    (ten points to anyone who can give me a logical, non "he hurt our feelings" answer to that one)

    Let me let you in on a little secret, you have no right not to be offended. I know, I know just breathe, it will be ok. And that paper has a right to put an article, opinion piece or Mein Kampf on the front page if they choose to do so.

    Had I been the editor of that paper, you would have got a hearty "piss off" a pat on your heads and sent on your way.

    1st amendment works both ways kids, and the fact that you all think you have a right not to be poked fun of after the things you feel are your 1st amendment right to spew shows which side is really the fascists.

    I see the word "Nazi" bandied about here all the time and just laugh at the fact that you don't see how close many of your actions are to the German fascists of the 1930's and 1940's. Is book burning next?    

     

    Nothing is as entertaining as the compulsive rejection of authority and the results that ensue. My Blog: http://americanarmed.blogspot.com/

    by Krav Maga on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:50:45 PM PDT

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    •  Totally clueless (0+ / 0-)

      Fact is that this article had absolutely no place on the front page of the newspaper, and should have been labeled as opinion rather than reporting.

      The Right Online folks got covered by an actual political beat reporter who knows his stuff, Laylan Copelin.

      Netroots Nation got Bizarro Beach, a feature writer who has no discernable knowledge about politics or blogging. ut has heard of this thing called "snark" all the kewl kidz are doing...

      There are plenty of other political reporters on the beat that were capable of writing straight up news on the NN convention just like they did for the wingnut lurvvvfest.

      The decision to assign Beach to the story was an appalling editorial choice that was compounded by the  prominence-above the fold-given to this lightweight tripe.

      AAS has no right to put that shit out and not get called on it.

      Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

      by boadicea on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 05:18:23 PM PDT

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      •  Sure they do. (0+ / 0-)
        Why do they NOT have the right to print whatever and written by whomever they choose? Because it hurt your feelings? Sorry, not good enough. They didn't label the story in a manner YOU think is correct? Who are you again? Editor, share holder, CEO? No? Then what right do you have to demand anything? They  have the absolute right to give the story to whomever they choose and he has the right to cover it in whatever way he chooses. And they can print it on whatever page they choose, that's the great thing about being in charge of such things.

        What part of that is so hard for the left to understand? And they can label it a modern day Haiku if they want. Whether you like it or not.

        I thought you were all about freedom of choice here in the moonbat cave. I guess that's only when it fits your ideas of how things should be? Or doesn't offend you?  

        Should we then not allow a reporter to cover the Police beat because he has never been a cop? Or politics because he has never been a politician?

        See, that's the beauty of the whole thing you all claim to embrace- free speech. Sure, there are times when it crosses the line, and we have courts for that. But absent some tortuous or libelous prose, you're just going to have to deal with it. They fact that you did what you did, and the praise it has received here, speaks volumes.  

        I am not aware of any codified law in the state of Texas or elsewhere that states a particular type of article must be labeled a certain way or cannot appear in certain section of a newspaper, have you?

        Kos: "you can't do that!!"

        Paper: "why?"

        Kos: "well because, you can't, we don't like it!"

        Paper: "is there a law or statute someplace that says we can't?"

        Kos: "Well, no. But we don't want you to, it's not right, we don't like it on the front page, or called reporting, label it how we say or we're going to whine...really loud. You're not supposed to do it that way"

        Paper "Really? Why?"

        And on it goes, like trying to reason with a 12 year old.

        No one here can give me one legitimate reason why the paper cannot do exactly what it did other than you found it offensive and didn't like it. Well, it's a hardball world kids, get used to it.

         

        Nothing is as entertaining as the compulsive rejection of authority and the results that ensue. My Blog: http://americanarmed.blogspot.com/

        by Krav Maga on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 05:52:00 PM PDT

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        •  It's an industry standard (0+ / 0-)

          Which the editor acknowledged in his apology, weak though I think it was with the second swipe at Speaker Pelosi.

          They're involved in public conversation-response from the public is completely appropriate, no matter how your rationalization tries to pretend it's not.

          Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

          by boadicea on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:19:38 PM PDT

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          •  Industry standard? (0+ / 0-)
            Photoshop is an "industry standard" too, doesn't mean I can't use GIMP sometimes.

            I'm not arguing with the public responding. I'm arguing with the fact that you seem to think you have some right to control the content of this publication and how it classifies articles or any other written content within it's pages.

            And so far no one has come up with anything other than your own dislike of what was printed and where it appeared as to what justifies a demand for retraction and apology from the paper. "Industry Standard" doesn't cut it. Neither does a Kossack hissy fit.

            Nothing is as entertaining as the compulsive rejection of authority and the results that ensue. My Blog: http://americanarmed.blogspot.com/

            by Krav Maga on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 07:24:31 PM PDT

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            •  Neither does your bullshit (0+ / 0-)

              "They can do whatever they want, stop whining".

              You've been given lots of reasons-and that says a whole lot more about your agenda than anything else.

              Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

              by boadicea on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 06:51:28 AM PDT

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              •  Lots of reasons? (0+ / 0-)
                I haven't seen anyone respond with anything better than "we didn't like it, it hurt our feelings"

                I asked why you feel you should have control over what a paper prints and on what page it prints it, and the best you can come up with is "Industry Standard"??

                I'd sure like to see the manual on this industry standard and were it says you can only put certain types of articles on certain pages, above or below the fold.

                All I've seen here is weak excuses for nazi-like censorship of an article that rubbed you the wrong way-- that speaks volumes about YOUR agenda, all the way up to 11 my friend.

                You still can't come up with any legitimate answer to my question, because there is none. Isn't it amazing when a liberal is asked to provide some sort of underpinning for there actions, they're whole story crumbles down to just "We didn't like it, it hurt our feelings dammit!!" or you run to some heretofore unheard of quasi-legal phrase that you pull out of your ass in desperation to try to give some legitimacy to your fascist actions.  

                Pathetic.

                Nothing is as entertaining as the compulsive rejection of authority and the results that ensue. My Blog: http://americanarmed.blogspot.com/

                by Krav Maga on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 09:45:28 AM PDT

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                •  You're a bit hard of listening (0+ / 0-)

                  Out of curiousity, when was the last time you changed your opinion on anything and what was it about?

                  Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

                  by boadicea on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 10:21:15 AM PDT

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                  •  Price of tea in China? (0+ / 0-)

                    And what does your question have to do with the question I have asked 3 times and have yet to have answered in an intelligent manner?

                    I'll break it down for you once more, perhaps someone can answer with more than "we didn't like it"

                    Q: What law or statute gives you the right to tell a publication what to print, where to place it in their publication pages or demand it's retraction because it hurt your feelings? Simple question, can you answer it?

                    Please respond with either statute or law that says you have a right not to be offended and demand retraction because it hurt your delicate sensibilities. And explain how that possibly trumps the 1st amendment.

                    Nothing is as entertaining as the compulsive rejection of authority and the results that ensue. My Blog: http://americanarmed.blogspot.com/

                    by Krav Maga on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:23:50 PM PDT

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                    •  Ah, law or statute? (0+ / 0-)

                      You have had plenty of intelligent answers, but you just refuse to entertain them.

                      In favor of a legal cite, as if the remedy of every problem were to cite a statute.

                      I must thank you for that little golden nugget of comedy.  Now I know exactly what you are.

                      Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

                      by boadicea on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:47:19 PM PDT

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                      •  What answers? (0+ / 0-)

                        I ask from what authority you feel you derive your right to censor this publication and you still have not come up with anything resembling a coherent reply that addresses that.

                        Righteous outrage or hurt feelings really doesn't make it, sorry.

                        And it's you who appear, at least by your actions, to think there is some type of law that engenders you with this authority, I can't imagine what else possibly could make you feel you can dictate what a newspaper decides to publish.

                        Bottom line is this paper published something you and your fellow moonbats found offensive, and YOUR remedy was to throw a tantrum until the paper withdrew the article. Even though they have every right to do so, regardless of whether you approve. Way to defend free speech there skippy-- Great Job!!

                        You whine and cry at something as innocuous as this and you want to run the country? God help us all if that ever comes to pass.    

                        Don't worry about actually answering my question, it's all too obvious you cannot.

                        Nothing is as entertaining as the compulsive rejection of authority and the results that ensue. My Blog: http://americanarmed.blogspot.com/

                        by Krav Maga on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:56:58 PM PDT

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