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  •  then TRY to understand this... (0+ / 0-)

    When I went through EOD, a Navy run tech school, it was the 3rd hardest tech school in the Navy.

    In 1991, being a soft Air Force guy... I spent 3 weeks with the 18th Brigade 325 C Company outside of Dohuk babysitting them because they didn't trust their ARMY engineers in the minefields.  For that time, being only a mere AF guy, I have an ARMY Achievement medal on my fruit salad.

    And the Army Major who was in charge?  He sent me and my boss out to the same minefield 3 days in a row because the dumbfuck couldn't get his shit straight and have us do ONE trip... and when me and my boss told him we weren't going back a fourth time, I think he had an anuerism.

    I've provided every bit of information needed in my diary with backing from the UCMJ to the actual legal cases supporting it.

    That YOU can't understand it isn't MY fault... you're Army and I really don't EXPECT you to.

    The concept is simple... you don't have to follow an unlawful order BY LAW, BY LEGAL PRECEDENT IN EVERY CASE THAT HAS EVER GONE TO A COURT OF LAW.

    That people STILL GET FUCKED OVER IS A FAILURE OF THE OFFICER CORP WHO REFUSES TO FUCK THEMSELVES OVER.

    The "rule of law"; it applies to you and me, but not the rich, the Republican or the celebrity. Welcome to America!

    by MotleyPatriot on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:00:20 PM PDT

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    •  Thank you for (0+ / 0-)

      A long winded big-fish story about how the Air Force is superior to the Army. zzzzz...

      The concept is simple... you don't have to follow an unlawful order BY LAW, BY LEGAL PRECEDENT IN EVERY CASE THAT HAS EVER GONE TO A COURT OF LAW.

      And yet in every example you provided the individual was punished.

      •  and you still can't understand the concept of why (0+ / 0-)

        when it's quite simple:

        SOMEONE has to be get fucked and there are TWO choices; the grunt or the officer who gave the order.

        Since FEW officers EVER get fucked, guess who that leaves?

        The "rule of law"; it applies to you and me, but not the rich, the Republican or the celebrity. Welcome to America!

        by MotleyPatriot on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 11:19:12 PM PDT

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        •  That's funny. (0+ / 0-)

          Because the context and narative of your examples tell a different story.

          Some examples:

          "In addition, the argument that "military men and women will be prosecuted if they don't follow an order" holds little weight, as well.  In U.S. vs Bracey, the defendant was charged with a slew of violations:"

          "I count 9 violations that the defendant was charged with, and, for all of that, he was sentenced to only 6 months in confinement;"

          "This was a mutiny by 19 members of a unit in Iraq who stood up and said "NO" to an order during a time of war.  Were these members executed as the Article clearly states they could have been?  No.  The members received letters in their files called "non-judicial punishment" and all of them were returned to duty."

          It's obvious you're providing these as examples of how you CAN disobey orders, accentuating their "light" sentences. So did they get away with murder (metephorically) as you elude to in your diary, or did they get "FUCKED" as you're now changing it to?

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