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  •  So you were personally aware of recruiting (0+ / 0-)

    procedures in 1986?  You actually went through the process?

    Here's a question, do recruiters have computers now?

    •  Oh and he didn't say (0+ / 0-)

      He took the ASVAB or AFOQC (standardized testings on the computer, just another test that the recruiter gave him).  

      As far as what we did within our squadron...we developed our own tests on the computers (though they were for training purposes).  

    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      We have computers now. The Sergeants Major and other high ranking career recruiters who HAVE been recruiting since the 80s have told us repeated how lucky we are not to have to build "paper contracts".

      Also, the addition of FSR2S makes this the VERY FIRST TIME we have been able to reserve MOS's from the recruiting office.

      Since the 70s the enterence exam is called the "ASVAB." It's not a 100 point test graded on a simple right-or-wrong percentage. And the highest you can score is 99. And your husband would NOT be offered anything short of having actual ASVAB Scores.

      So he took the ASVAB in high school he says. I see. So let me get this straight. He was already ASVAB qualified but the recruiter decided to give him some meaningless test to offer him a job from the office.

      Your husband's pants are on fire. Yes, that's right. The person you've known for years has an integrity problem. I said it.

      •  Not hardly (0+ / 0-)

        In eight years I was in and worked 4 different communications center, I never worked on the same piece of equipment twice.  Even the Army's communication computer system was different then what we worked with.

        Given the number of military communications center around the world, it's not unfeasible for this to occur.  In a span of two years, USAF payroll went from punch card data to large disks.  I've been involved where we've tested new equipment and procedures out, only to suggest they be not implemented.  So your argument of it being not feasible is not actually correct.  

        You seem to keep forgetting that he went from high school to college on the ROTC program.  What's your process now for high school rotc students? I know in 79 the various recruiters spent alot of time and weekends at my high school.  Since I wasn't interested in the military then, I didn't see actually what they did.

        That's okay, neither of you are going to agree, you're so bent on discrediting him, that regardless of what proof he or I could provide without exposing his identify (which of course is against the FAQs of the board), you'll try to write off as bs.  No problem.  I'm sure he'd do the same to you if he had the opportunity.

        •  on the contrary (0+ / 0-)

          you're so bent on discrediting him

          No, it's most definitely not malicious intent. Based on my experience in the recruiter world, logic, and what I've learned from long-time career recruiters I legitimately believe your husband is full of shit. It's not a silly online rivalry type of thing.

          As far as JROTC students you don't process them any differently. They often will have already taken the SASVAB (Senior ASVAB) so they don't require that qualification. You can just phys them and swear them in.

          •  So... (0+ / 0-)

            As far as JROTC students you don't process them any differently. They often will have already taken the SASVAB (Senior ASVAB) so they don't require that qualification. You can just phys them and swear them in.

            You've just shown where his test scores would have been on file.  One thing you weren't aware of that MP had plans to go into the military right out of high school, his father convinced him other wise.

            And it's pretty cool that the recruiters you know who were recruiting back in 86 haven't opted for retirement yet.  Tell me, how many years do you have to have in service before being able to apply for recruiter duty for the Army?  

            •  Have a nice day n/t. (0+ / 0-)
            •  You have a nice day, too (0+ / 0-)

              I had to go do a walk through on the new Condo.

              You've just shown where his test scores would have been on file.

              Actually, I didn't but if you found it that's great. His scores should be on his military record if he enlisted at some point. For prior service guys we pull what's called a "REDD Response" Out of curiosity, what is his RE Code?

              And it's pretty cool that the recruiters you know who were recruiting back in 86 haven't opted for retirement yet.  Tell me, how many years do you have to have in service before being able to apply for recruiter duty for the Army?

              Not many, but I've met a few. Just like the mainstream Army USAREC has leadership at every level, from the Company First Sergeant on up through Sergeants Major at the Battalion, Brigade, and higher levels. It's NOT uncommon for E9s to stay in past minimum retirement age.

              Now I am able to read the tone in implications of this line of questioning. Sorry I ruined it for you, but I'm not your husband. I don't just say shit that's convenient.

              To answer your question about how long you have to be in, it's not a matter of time. It's a matter of rank. E4 and above. Most recruiters are DA selected, meaning they came down on orders (like myself). It wasn't a choice. Some decide to "convert" to 79R as a perminent MOS. Most don't.

              •  Just something to think about (0+ / 0-)

                No tone whatsoever.  See here's the thing.

                Just because you haven't seen it and the people you know haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  The USAF use to select a few number of shops or units when implement and testing new procedures before implementing them Air Force wide.  I would think the Army would too before investing in a lot of money in doing a mass upgrade, especially since each individual shop/unit, etc had a budget.

                One of the squadrons that I was in was a combat communications group, we were always the commands guinea pigs. Thats why we ended up having the Zenith 100 in the training shop, my next duty station didn't even have one in the squadron.  We were one of three units that actually worked weather vans.  The argument about what occurred 20 years ago at one recruiting station is like me having an argument with USAF fixed comm center personnel who would tell you that it was the AWS and not Comm that maintained weather communications.  

                So you really can't disprove what he experienced based on your experience, and all he can tell you is his experience which he can experience.  

                That would also be like me arguing with Testevet that what he experienced never actually happened because I never heard about it, even though I was in around the time he was.  

                •  And yes, he was in the Air Force (0+ / 0-)

                  If that's your doubt...but then again, I can question whether or not you actually went through recruiter duty too, couldn't I :)

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