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  •  Thanks for clearing that up (1+ / 0-)
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    As you pointed out, the whole thing is pretty questionable. The big three could have gotten out front of the national health care debate during Clinton's terms, but they chose not to for fear they would offend their chums at the country club. Made me scratch my head at the time, but now that I have seen McCain's health care plan, I see where the boardroom has an opportunity to dump all their health care costs on the worker.

    I am not afraid of the pen, or the scaffold, or the sword. I will tell the truth wherever I please.

    by mundog50 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:41:23 AM PDT

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    •  GM and Ford were supporters of the ... (6+ / 0-)

      ...Clinton health plan.

      However, the record of the UAW when it comes to CAFE standards is not an appetizing one.

      I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 11:43:30 AM PDT

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      •  No, it isn't but... (1+ / 0-)
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        Unfortunately, Kos' post doesn't quite tell the whole story, and this "pox on both their houses" stance bothers me a great deal.

        I'm all for assessing responsibility where it's due, and I speak as a UAW member and the son and grandson of UAW members.  Re CAFE standards, the UAW took the wrong stance for the "right" reason.

        What the UAW feared was that the auto companies would use tighter CAFE standards as an excuse to cut jobs.  Now, whether CAFE would actually compel this is outright wrong, but that doesn't matter.  If the companies wanted a reason to cut, they'd have found one with respect to CAFE and it would have been difficult for the UAW to fight that.

        It should also be pointed out that the UAW has long advocated manufacturing a variety of cars, including smaller, more fuel-efficient ones.  They began that advocacy right after World War II.

        Procrastination: Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now.

        by Linnaeus on Fri Aug 01, 2008 at 01:48:50 PM PDT

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