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  •  Actually it sucks (7+ / 0-)

    The oil companies will be happy to drill and destroy the environment.
    Tips to Obama for caving in.

    •  Part of compromise to tax the... (3+ / 0-)
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      oil companies to fund alternative energy initiatives and provide $1000 middle class tax cut for energy cost

      Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

      by dvogel001 on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:20:25 AM PDT

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    •  Try reading what he actually SAID. (21+ / 0-)

      "My interest is in making sure we’ve got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Mr. Obama told The Palm Beach Post’s Michael C. Bender. "If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage - I don’t want to be so rigid that we can’t get something done."

      His opinion about drilling is still the same. He said that he is still skeptical that drilling would produce any change in fuel price in the short term. His tactic is working with other Senators to find a compromise that would allow some of his policies to be implemented. When there is gridlock, NOTHING happens. Not the bad stuff, but not the good stuff either.

      "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

      by your neighbor on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:21:06 AM PDT

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      •  Well put (1+ / 0-)
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        Particularly the distinction between opinion and tactic.  However, I suspect there is another Grand Theft Government scam hidden in here somewhere.

        I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

        by tle on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:25:04 AM PDT

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      •  What he actually said (1+ / 0-)
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        He actually said he would reduce the drilling to 50 miles from the present limit of 100 miles.
        That's reducing the laws passed by Jeb Bush.

        Such compromises lead to gradual erosion of the laws and soon there is nothing.

        Most politicians who tout their innovative compromises with industry are really just selling out.

      •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

        This is not a flip flop on ideology.  He's not all of a sudden arguing that offshore drilling is the solution to our energy crisis, or even that it will ever significantly reduce gas prices.  At most, it's a flip flop on tactic (although I don't know if he ever unequivocally pledged not to support ANY bill that included offshore drilling.)  He's saying it's not a deal-breaker and that if a bill that includes some drilling has enough other proposals that he supports, he'd be willing to vote for it.  Senators have to make those kinds of compromises all the time -- deciding whether or not to vote for a bill that has some things they support and other things that they don't.  When they're not willing to compromise, nothing gets done. (Which may explain the current state of congress...)

        And even if it is viewed as a flip flop by the public -- considering McCain also flip-flopped just a month or so ago on this issue, he'll have a hard time castigating Obama for it (although I'm sure he'll try.)  It remains to be seen whether the media will breathe a word of McCain's flip flop on this issue while they're eagerly pushing the "Obama flip flopped!!!!" meme.

      •  Nothing like showing all your cards (1+ / 0-)
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        before negotiations have even begun.

        Now the republicans know what he'll settle for, they'll never settle for anything less.

      •  Good look at the overall (0+ / 0-)

        I agree.  His comments as a whole indicate that he still believes this to be a waste of time.  It seems apparent to me that he is willing to trade a small concession if it would allow him the ability to pass legislation that would seriously fund alternative energy projects.  I wish idealism and intractability would work, but our political system changes slowly.  

    •  No it doesn't suck (1+ / 0-)
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      read the comments, this issue is red herring, oil companies will always get the oil wherever is cheaper and off shore under USA regulations is not, read the front page post about oil companies actually producing less oil within the US.

      And the comments mentioning that big oil wanted the ban lifted before the GOP pushed for it is part and parcel of their strategy to get their issues resolved before a Dem administration gets into power, just like other industries  are pushing for less FDA or OSHA regulatory powers or the fundies pushing to equate the pill to abortion.

      Don't fall into the GOP trap people

      "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

      by IamTheJudge on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:40:14 AM PDT

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      •  Obama fell into the GOP trap, not us.. (4+ / 0-)

        "Don't fall into the GOP trap people"

        The reaction here is predictable as many feel let down by Obama (a politician viewed by most here to be "different" or "new').  If Obama would have maintained a consistent "NO to off-shore drilling" position we here would be behind him.  But now we are divided and fighting among ourselves, instead of fighting against our common enemy.

        Be the change you want!

        by BuyLocal on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:53:53 AM PDT

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      •  So Big Oil is stupid (0+ / 0-)

        and dumped tens of thousands of dollars into McSame's campaign as he announced his flip flop on OCS drilling because they will never buy and/or drill the OCS leases?  I don't think so.  They know where reserves are and they want to lock as many up as they can.  OCS drilling, or opening the Arctic, or oil shale, is not a solution to either our short- or long-term energy woes.  

        •  no tehy are not stupid (1+ / 0-)
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          but they know that the next few months are the only chance they have left to get the issue resolved in their favor on their terms (see: Cheney energy group), and they also know that a  JSM administration will be much more favorable to the sweet deals they want.

          that is why their GOP stooges are pushing the issue so hard  and lying their teeth out in the process.

          But left recap here,  from the googles   emphasis mine

          by allowing limited offshore drilling, but canceling the tax cuts to oil companies which have always been controversial and are hard to justify now given the outrageous oil prices.

          what do you think is going to happen when this legislation  goes to the senate?

          1. big oil congress critters will do their best to strip the cancellation of their tax cuts
          1. If 1) fails they will filibuster the whole legislation, they are not going to vote to cancell those billions of free money for big oil!

          JSM will be conveniently absent and BHO will be voting for the compromise and against more tax cuts for big oil.

          What do you think will be the voters reaction at the failure of the legislation?

          "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

          by IamTheJudge on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:57:35 AM PDT

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    •  BigOil will never make a move to drill... (0+ / 0-)

      they simply cannot as it is NOT cost effective..

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