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  •  At what point do people here and other (3+ / 0-)
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    blogs begin to realize that he's just not that progressive, or even all that liberal?  He strikes me as a rather conservative Democrat, actually, despite his legislative record in his desire to compromise, go down the middle, etc.

    That's the only solution I can come up with -- if his version of change means selling-out on all the vital issues, than no thanks to 'change.'  Or if 'change' is just emnpty symbolism, rhetoric and identity politics: enough already!  I want' Democrats in office at every level who will actually fight for Demcoratic ideals.  

    I'm no McCain supporter, but at this point, I really have no enthusiasm anymore for Obama.  I'd rather lose the presidency and fight it out with our enhanced majority in Congress 'till we have someone less willing to give up on everything important for the sake of power, exclusively.  Power divorced from priniciples is meaningless and very suspect.  

    •  What's with the "sell out" view? (3+ / 0-)
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      Do you really think the answer is to stand his ground, and demand that every issue goes 100% his way 100% of the time? Then you could regain enthusiasm, and march in full support behind him as his campaign and potential Presidency walks off the cliff?

      •  the point is that if you give up on every issue (3+ / 0-)
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        that defines your party & movement: rights, Iraq, universal healthcare, the environment, than in fact you are selling out: selling out your party and party's supporters for the sake of gaining power and holding on to power.

        For all the people on this thread who are once again hair-splitting and rationalizing another obvious flip-flop (he was against offhsore drilling before he was for it), what do you think Al Gore thinks about this bogus compromise that will open up a huge amount of our coastline to oil spills, etc. and do zero, ZERO, to eliminate our oil dependency, gas price crisis and global warming problem?

        If Obama is seirous when he talks abot the need to change away from fossil feuls, than his actions will back up his rhetoric.  This moves just reniforces the increasingly clear notion that he really does seem to say just about anything at any time, depending on the audience, only to change course quicly for political calculations.  See: FISA, Jerusalem/Israel, and now offshore drilling.  

        Does anybody really think at this point that anything Obama says during this election will mean anything at all once he's elected.  Just like Bush promising to support Kyoto in 2000: empty, empty rhetoric and cynical politics....

        Go ahead, call me a troll -- but I have a long record on this blog as a strong Democrat and advoacte for progressive causes, but my blinders are off: I have no faith that Obama will actually do anything progressive once in office becasue he's too busy compromising away all our ideals.

        •  There is no guarantee Obama will be elected (1+ / 0-)
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          The polling on this issue 70% for off shore drilling. You want to kill Obama's chances before he even gets past the convention out of some misplaced ideological purity delusion. Politics doesn't work that way.

          If honesty were suddenly introduced into American life, the whole system would collapse - George Carlin

          by brenda on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:04:39 AM PDT

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          •  the polling is mis-leading-- Americans (1+ / 0-)
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            are much more supportive for actual moves to BREAK our ruinous oil addiction: conservation, solar, wind solutions, electric cars, etc. Increased drilling does exactly the opposite of this: it INCREASES our oil addiction.  

            Obama should reject oil drilling period, and strongly explain why we need to move in an entirely different direction and force the oil companies there, if necessary (they are not exactly popular with most Americans).  Americans would be receptive.

            •  Exactly. (0+ / 0-)

              Obama could be using this issue to educate people to the fact that increased drilling leads to increased dependance on oil.  Showing people this fact has become more difficult because of O's "nuanced" position which is easily painted as a flip-flop.  Now, the issue has become the "flip-flop" in the sound-bite voter's mind.  

              Be the change you want!

              by BuyLocal on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:19:40 AM PDT

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            •  Americans are supportive of the "idea" (0+ / 0-)

              As long they individually don't have to give up their gasoline powered cars, or spend more than $3.75 a gallon.

              They believe that drilling will accomplish all those ends. It'll be good ol' American oil, none of that furrin stuff; and there'll be more of it so it'll be cheaper, and we'll continue to roll merrily along.

          •  OLD politics doesn't work that way (0+ / 0-)

            Is that what Obama's playing? What happened to new politics? Changing the game itself?

            Senator Clinton, if you knew then what you know now, would you have married Bill?

            by Miss Orange on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:37:17 AM PDT

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            •  Your PUMA and McCain supporting (1+ / 0-)
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              comments are annoying if not despicable.
              Every single comment you have made is to bash Obama, and support McCain.
              Why the hell are you here?
              Are you that lonely?  

              "Oh changed your hair color? It's just so dark. You like it? And with your skin tone?" My Beloved Mom, December 25 2007, once again on notice.

              by Christin on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 11:42:55 AM PDT

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        •  I see (1+ / 0-)
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          so being a progressive means never compromising.  Perhaps you're too young to remember but that's how Congress used to operate.  The GOP turned compromise into a weakness and we got a rigid president and a gridlocked Congress and this country has gone to hell in a handbasket.

          Obama values compromise. He doesn't stick to Party ideology based positions. As he said many times he's willing to accept some things he doesn't fully support to get other things he does fully support.

          That is what compromise is all about. And it takes leadership to do it. That's what it means to govern with the interests of all Americans in mind. And that is progressive.

          It's a shame that isn't enough for some progressives.

          The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held... -Bertrand Russell

          by glynis on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:46:53 AM PDT

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        •  No flops were flipped (1+ / 0-)
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          he was against offhsore drilling before he was for it

          He is still against offshore drilling. He is willing to consider tolerating some potential drilling if the energy plan gets some other things he wants.

    •  "I'd rather lose" (2+ / 0-)
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      Yup, that about sums it up for you.

      If honesty were suddenly introduced into American life, the whole system would collapse - George Carlin

      by brenda on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:24:36 AM PDT

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    •  At what point does Obama's detractor's realize (7+ / 0-)

      that a majority of the electorate does not see every issue their way?

      "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

      by lordcopper on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:25:46 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe you would like to lose... (1+ / 0-)
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      based upon a single issue...but there are many of us who would like to still have a country in the next year...

    •  compromise=sellout? (0+ / 0-)

      I really am beginning to wonder what compromise means to some anymore.  

      The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held... -Bertrand Russell

      by glynis on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 10:52:54 AM PDT

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