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  •  The Biggest Difference Everyone Is Missing: (4+ / 0-)

    Carter WAS the President.  You knew what you had in him, and people didn't like it.

    Bush is leaving.   McCain is different, even though we all know his policies are the same.

    But if you ALLOW McCain to be different than Bush, you lose.  The only way to make this like 1980 is to tie McCain in more tightly to Bush.  

    In May/June, Obama was doing a great job of that.  Since then, he's miserably failed at that.

    The analogy is a nice way to make us feel better about ourselves, but there is a huge difference here.

    •  the trouble with your analysis (0+ / 0-)

      is that it's wrong.


      The analogy is a nice way to make us feel better about ourselves, but there is a huge difference here.

      It's really not that at all. Read the post to see why.

      In May/June, Obama was doing a great job of that.  Since then, he's miserably failed at that.

      That's not clear either. From TIME:

      "If Republican John McCain is elected, do you expect that he would mainly continue the policies of President Bush, or is he mainly independent of Bush?"

      6/18-25/0

      Mainly Continue Bush Policies  46
      MainlyIndependentOfBush  44
      Both/Neither (vol.) 2
      Unsure 8

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 12:53:19 PM PDT

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      •  That poll was taken in June (3+ / 0-)
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        And from observation, Obama, his campaign, and his surrogates have stopped repeating over and over that McCain = Bush 3rd term.  

        I'm hopeful they'll get back to that soon.

        Strategy '08: Obama vs. the other guy

        by dansac on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 01:05:10 PM PDT

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        •  more data on that (0+ / 0-)

          June 8-9 and July 20-21 look the same to me.

          from NBC/WSJ

          Please tell me how closely you believe John McCain would follow and support George W. Bush's programs and policies if elected president--very closely, somewhat closely, not too closely, or not closely at all.

          7/08+ 6/08+ 3/08+
          Very closely.... 32 30 29
          Somewhat closely.... 45 46 48
          Not too closely.... 16 16 13
          Not closely at all.... 5 6 6
          Not sure.... 2 2 4

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 01:36:26 PM PDT

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          •  that's not very revealing (0+ / 0-)

            because the respondent group is not broken down. Are the 28% who support Bush the ones who think McCain will be the same or different?

            What we need to know is how the key swing voters who detest Bush think and we can't get that from those numbers. My assessment from talking to Ohio voters is that the more they despise Bush, the more they are willing to give McCain a chance to be different. Voters tend to project their own feelings onto a candidate.

            •  LOL (0+ / 0-)

              we have some national numbers (admittedly not definitive, but pretty suggestive) vs. your corner of Ohio subjective feelings (without data to back it up).

              So we are back to our usual conversation.  ;-P

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 02:05:56 PM PDT

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            •  need to tie McMaverick to Bush's glaring failures (0+ / 0-)

              some think certain policies are OK (even if they're crap) like NCLB, AIDs support to Africa, tax cuts, estate tax repeal; while most think his Iraq policy stinks.

              What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is. ~ Dan Quayle

              by CParis on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 05:00:51 PM PDT

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