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  •  Chosen by the electorate...of heathens. (5+ / 0-)
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    SherwoodB, JohnB47, boofdah, Hastur, cadejo4

    Now, I could go on with the other 348,987 reasons why I am an atheist, but I'm guessing you just wanted to snark.

    I approve.

    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

    by snafubar on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 06:56:36 AM PDT

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    •  I wish you had another choice in your poll... (2+ / 0-)
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      SherwoodB, snafubar

      ...similar to the top one: it should be titled:

      I'm going to find out where you live just so I can kick your neighbor's ass for bringing it up.

      Apologies in advance, but your neighbor sounds like a fucking FREAK. I couldn't live next to him! :p

      •  Like I said, on all other grounds, I'm proud (3+ / 0-)
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        mint julep, boofdah, cadejo4

        and grateful he's my neighbor. Even after these discussions, we know each other will be there for the other when we need it. It's a unique relationship for sure.

        I hope you can appreciate that. The issues that one needs a neighbor to count on are much different than the ones to choose a president.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:12:24 AM PDT

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        •  Frankly, it wouldn't matter to me in the least. (1+ / 0-)
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          I couldn't be friendly with a neighbor, ostensibly "helpful" or "neighborly" as s/he might be, who advocated electing someone so harmful to our country and the world because of some snake-oil superstition that the candidate is the "anti-Christ." Sorry, I just can't. That sounds harsh, but oh well.

          In my neighborhood, the feeling is mutual, anyway. I found out who my "good neighbors" really were when they started acting cool toward my family and me and/or ignored me altogether the minute I put up my yard signs for our Democratic gubernatorial nominee as well as other Democrats in the '06 election. I don't give a shit. I will not be intimidated into feeling like a pariah for whom I support in an election year. If they feel they have the right to sport Bush/Cheney '04 bumperstickers (oh yes, I still see those in my town) and McCain '08 yard signs, then up go my yard signs as well. Fair is fair, natch.

          •  That's the distinction I'm trying to make; this (1+ / 0-)
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            guy has his head so compartmentalized that he can still regard me as a man he likes even when I snap and start frothing at the mouth and tell him that his ideas are more fucked up than I can fathom.

            He's so comfortable in his faith and his mindset that I don't bother him even when I'm apoplectic and walking away.

            Silly little me, with all my powers of logic and reason is the one who's brain is on fire because I can't simply close my eyes and think this is just what God wants.

            Now, if  you read my comments about how small this neighborhood is - we're five houses cloistered on the other side of the rairoad tracks and surrounded by trees for a quarter mile in all directions - we can't afford to hate each other for any reason.

            So politics aside, I think he and I appreciate the larger (smaller) value in being amiable despite being ideologically opposed.

            No yard signs here - who the hell would ever see them but each other? it would be like putting up a burning cross, ya know?

            George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

            by snafubar on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:20:29 AM PDT

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    •  FWIW... (2+ / 0-)
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      Reepicheep, snafubar

      all Christians don't buy the claptrap that is packaged and sold under the brand name Dispensational Eschatology®

      I know you haven't stated or implied such, snafubar...but some might still infer it, in spite of.

      While I have issues with Rick Warren in a number of doctrinal areas, I have to applaud him for taking up the fight against the gospel of world domination  and accretion of filthy lucre (cha-CHING, hallelujah) and trying to raise the profile of social justice and the obligation of the church to meet the needs of "the least of these, my brethren" as Christ puts it in Matt 25.

      I am praying that hell has a hidden lowest rung Dante didn't see reserved for the Tim LaHayes and Pat Robertsons and John Hagees of the world... not to mention the Kenneth Copelands and Creflo Dollars et al... because they have so missed Jesus' point about the gospel it's sickening.

      •  Only the Christians know what "Dispensational (1+ / 0-)
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        Eschatology" means....

        They have their own lexicon, we have ours.

        I don't understand - nor have any need to - words like "eschatology" "eucharistic" or any other of a thousand words that have no other application outside of a religious environment. Similarly, they have decided that they can live without a long list of words we depend on, like reason, democracy, conscientious awareness, and objectivity.

        That last one really scruches up their nose and leaves furrows in their brow.

        The reason I don't give Rick Warren any more credit than I do the Pope or Martin Luther is because in the end, the accepted rule amongst all their followers is that the farther afeild they are from their fellow man, the more they are therefore convinced they have found "revealed truth".

        I can't appreciate anyone who thinks that his "knowledge" is a secret that gathers value and significance just because only a priviliged few have discovered it. Rick Warren may not himself personally believe this, but a quick survey of his readers will reveal that many of them see him in that light. It's condescension by another vein.

        Your last paragraph is the prelude to a veritable phone book of people who make atheists wish there really was a Hell so there would be a place to put those in that book.  

        Sorry. I guess I admit that I have jumped as far to the extreme in the opposite direaction as those who offend me. I've been broken, and these are my wounds.

        I never reached out to anyone to scream in their face that I think that God is a fools errand. However, I don't have any restraint for someone who comes to my house to tell me how much they love me when what they really mean is that they love me if I would only think more like they do.

        Rick Warren still fits in that last category.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:56:28 AM PDT

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