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  •  That's what I find shocking (3+ / 0-)
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    that a Catholic would say this.

    I trust Barack Obama.

    by casperr on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:02:46 AM PDT

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    •  I'm shocked, but from an atheists point of (1+ / 0-)
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      view the fact that any person of the kind of faith that is required to be a Catholic can be brainwashed into believing something else equally bizarre is not surprising.

      Faith turns off conscious thought; that's why he's aways smiling and I'm so fucking pissed.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:07:58 AM PDT

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      •  Unfortunately (2+ / 0-)
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        your misunderstanding of what Catholicism is really about is way too prevelent in this country.

        That conversation is for another time, though.

        Faith most definitely does NOT turn off conscious thought. In fact, a lively faith makes one much more socially responsible, which means a lot more thinking about how one's behavior impacts those in one's community, locally and world-wide, as well as one's responsibility for taking care of God's creation.

        Let's get some Democracy for America

        by murphy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:19:35 AM PDT

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        •  sorry, Murph. I am firmly in the camp that says (1+ / 0-)
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          religion is there solely to provide answers when the human brain fails to find one that is obvious. And although you personally or many in your circle may have deep levels of introspection, reasoning, and conscientious thought, i think you and I can agree that there are more sheep in the religious camp than there are at the apostates reunion.

          I'm not challenging your faith nor reasoning specifically, but I'm also not the one who coined the phrase "let go and let God".

          I think it is fair to say that in the minds of a great many people of all religions that their purpose in seeking a higher power is to surrender their thought because it's simpler and less burdensome to follow someone else's lead. Especially if you can keep believing that the leader can never be wrong.  

          The beauty/tragedy of religion is that even when the thought that was followed goes horribly wrong, the truly convicted can still peacefully lower their head, clasp their hands palm to palm, close their eyes and say "God's will has still been done".

          That's not a mindset that is built on conscious thought.

          Again, I'm speaking in generalities here; I'm not saying it isn't possible for there to be an intellectual person of faith, I'm sayinng that as a rule, most people trade one for the other.

          George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

          by snafubar on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:50:05 AM PDT

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      •  Actually... (3+ / 0-)
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        Faith turns off conscious thought doesn't; the stupidity of many who profess to have faith notwithstanding.

        Men who claim to speak on God's behalf said faith and reason were mutually exclusive and that skepticism was sin; God says in the bible to 'prove ALL things and hold fast what is good' and you cannot abide by that without a healthy skepticism.

        God can abide our questions, our unbelief and even our disagreement.

        Men who grasp for power and do so in the name of God as rationalization for their evil are the ones who find questioning, skepticism and unbelief untenable... but only because it reveals them to be the schmucks they are.

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