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  •  Perhaps (1+ / 0-)
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    snafubar

    I'm just telling you what I was taught, which seems to be what others were taught as well.

    I trust Barack Obama.

    by casperr on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:31:39 AM PDT

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    •  I Understand That (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm just pointing out that those teachings were the works of con-artists with no real basis in the religion they claimed to be representing.


      You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

      by karateexplosions on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:43:46 AM PDT

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      •  Now here we have two people who brilliantly (1+ / 0-)
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        illustrate the seperation of Church and Logic. karateexplosions is pointing out that charlattans are still charlattans even if they have claimed divine inspiration; casperr is trying to defend true religion from those who departed from the original script and therefore can't be true.

        And in a way, you're both right - I don't deny that religion does great things to give peace to one human soul; however it always had disasterous and deadly consequences throughout the ages and around the world when it's applied to the population at large.

        Which always brings me back to my comfort with math and science. Very few disputes break out over the sum of 2 and 2; the answer is universally "4" and those who dispute it are estranged from society.

        Religion, nor anyone who espouses it or it's derivatives, has ever had any kind of certainty in their teachings, which is exactly whey there are so many religions and people preaching it who all think the other is a fool.

        Calculators are much more honest and faithful than Bibles, and they always give the same answer. Funny then how the faithful always think they alone have it while the crowd around them is shouting the same things so loud that no one can be heard.

        Peace, guys. Let's hope for that under all circumstances. Unlike the Right Wing, I have realized that "peace" is not a four-letter word.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:05:21 AM PDT

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        •  Um, (0+ / 0-)

          I'm not defending anything. I left that "true religion" decades ago.

          I'm just trying to present what I learned, because it shows how a lot of people are being indoctrinated. Having grown up with this crazy way of thinking, I can speak to how these people believe in a way that those who don't know it well can't.

          I trust Barack Obama.

          by casperr on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:17:38 AM PDT

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          •  I wasn't focused on what you said as much (1+ / 0-)
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            as that your saying it is itself an example of someone repeating what they were taught. That there were many schools that taught many things that are in conflict with what was taught to someone else is collectively our real problem.

            That was my only point; in a larger sense my greatest puzzlement has always been in the face of the people who all claim to have "the" answer, when put together so many of those people disagree with each other it makes them all look a little strange to those of us on the outside.

            I don't blame the student for what the teacher has taught. That is the danger of 'indoctrination', and why I get nearly violent when Christians accuse atheists of indoctrinating anyone - there is nothing an atheist could ever indoctrinate anyone with since our principle quest is to find truth in evidence and experiement - there is no one book with all the answers, there is no one answer, there is only the search for explanations based solely on the evidence.

            No hard feelings I hope.

            George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

            by snafubar on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:57:06 AM PDT

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