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  •  OK, no cliches here (9+ / 0-)

    Sebelius would be a much better choice than Hillary when it comes to helping Obama get elected for reasons that have been discussed here extensively.

    "Best person for the job" may be a cliche, but it is also a perfectly good descriptive statement for what one should look for in any job.  I include "helping to get Obama elected" as part of the job.

    I think that a lot more women would be thrilled to see a deserving women elected to federal office for the first time.

    Now, as for name calling, Bayh was a Clintonite -- intended as descriptive, not as pejorative -- and Sebelius was for Obama.  No name-calling there.

    If you don't want to discuss the merits, fine.  I'm happy to comply here.  Goodbye.

    John McCain's Court will overturn Roe; don't kid yourself.

    by Seneca Doane on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:58:18 PM PDT

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    •  Except that Clinton is the only one (0+ / 0-)

      who adds anything to the polling numbers...and the notion that someone who has served as governor is better qualified than a senator or representative (I'm guessing that's the "better choice" argument, though I may be mistaken). As for someone who was already for Obama--how does that qualify someone to reach out to those who have not been pro-Obama all along? I think that the ideal candidate would be someone who could appeal to the "Clintonite" wing of the party, increase the chances of turning out as many Clinton supporters as possible (not just settling for 90%) for Obama.

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:10:35 PM PDT

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      •  Is that before or after you deduct her (9+ / 0-)

        unfavorables?

      •  I believe in the theory that the best VP choices (3+ / 0-)
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        reinforce the message and persona of the candidate, as Al Gore did.  Sebelius does that.  Clark sort of does.  Bayh undermines both.  Clinton herself -- I don't think Obama's message and persona would show through.  It would become Peyton Place in the tabloids (by which I mean the network news as well), all the time.

        John McCain's Court will overturn Roe; don't kid yourself.

        by Seneca Doane on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:30:49 PM PDT

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      •  Hillary adds to polling numbers (4+ / 0-)
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        ONLY in blue states. She hurts in purple and red states - and hurts downticket Dems as well.

        Nothing would energize unenthusiastic Republicans to GOTV than Hillary on the ticket.

        "Statistics are people with the tears washed away." Sociologist Ruth Sidel

        by Vicky on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 05:56:01 PM PDT

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        •  hillary did get more votes (1+ / 0-)
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          than obama who is looking more and more like a loser everyday. at least he caved on fisa, campaign finance reform, and drilling. he'll cave on choice if he gets the chance. and now he may choose bayh, bush tax sellout (one of 3 dems to cross party lines to give more moneyy to the rich) in 2003, and co-sponsor of iraq war resolution.

          obama has a low glass ceiling--on progressive ideals.

          thanks, markos. glad your book got a nice review. plenty of suckers around here to buy it.  

          thanks, dk, for the least promsing candidate since. . . stevenson?

          but it is fun to make fun of hillary isnt it?  

          •  no, she didn't (0+ / 0-)

            And yes, I've been pissed at Obama for his pandering to the center right wing, but you're dreaming if you think Hillary wouldn't have voted for telecom immunity if she'd gotten the nomination.  Her entire national security record was voting with the neocons in order to "take the issue off the table", which worked great for Tom Dashle and Max Cleland.  She voted the right way, but only because now she only has to worry about being the junior senator from NY instead of positioning herself for the presidency.

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