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  •  did Geraldine's racist comments infuriate (20+ / 0-)

    you too? She's a racist. Kos is calling her what she is.

    •  Actually, Kos is calling her (10+ / 0-)

      what his own internal filters perceive she is.  That doesn't make him 100% right.  It doesn't even make him half right.  

      He seems to me to be reacting in a kneejerk fashion: defending his fellow young, articulate, athletic, successful non-white male from the monsterous forces of ... older white women who can't get a break?  And complain about it with, I will admit, ill-chosen language.  Although less ill-chosen than some of the vitriol I've seen here, even from Kos.

      This is ugly and divisive.  And pointless.  Kos needs to examine his own assumptions.

      •  She opposed desegregation (3+ / 0-)
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        TMP, Uberbah, futurebird

        In Queens at the beginning of her career. She hasn't changed. Yes, she's racist.

        Hey, ABC! Who Lied To You About the Anthrax?

        by SlackwareGrrl on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:24:43 PM PDT

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      •  I dunno. I'm a middle aged white woman who can't (5+ / 0-)
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        get a break. I thought Geraldine was being racist.

        "They're very good at negative campaigning- they're not so good at governing."
        ~ Barack Obama

        by second gen on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:18:55 PM PDT

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      •  Do you believe racism is only a perception, (2+ / 0-)
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        a personal perception, and not a assertable fact?

        Why do you think many people of color saw Ferraro's words as racist or racially charged, and many white folks did not?  You appear to suggest that non-whites, or perhaps just the young Mr M, are making up a charge that is not fully or even half-true based on unthinking "knee-jerk" identity reactions. So when is a charge of racism legit or assertable to you?  

        Since you raised concerns about Kos's bias, I invite you test yourself for your own unconscious or hidden biases.  It's a very short, quick, confidential test meant to uncover unconscious bias (toward blacks and whites in one test, and men and women in another), that was developed at Harvard, I believe.  I took it, and was surprised by the results.  I invite you and Kos to do the same.  He should test for hidden gender bias, and you, perhaps, for hidden racial bias.

        I encourage EVERYONE to take this little eye-opener, and see where you stand.  Are you willing to consider that you have a hidden gender bias against women (like Ferraro) or a hidden racial bias against African Americans (like Obama)?

        Implicit Association Test

        •  Actually, what I think is that everyone (2+ / 0-)
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          has a melange of overt and hidden fears, biases, and, yes, prejudices.  It's human and unavoidable.  And that even the best people are subject to situational prejudice.  

          I have experienced situational prejudice many times, sometimes on the receiving end and sometimes as the biased one.

          Situational racism, my example:  I lived in San Francisco in the late 60s and early 70s.  I witnessed the whole flower child, Berkeley riots, and black power movements up close.  And it got very personal.  One night, three black men stabbed and tried to murder my husband in our laundromat.  They were apparently on some kind of black power rampage, since they attacked three other white men the same night.  When I rushed to the hospital to be with him, I left my two small children with ... our black male neighbor, a good friend.  A few weeks later, picking my daughter up at the bus stop (she was being bused for integration), I reached out and grabbed a small black boy to keep him from running out in front of a car.  He jerked away from me and called me a honky bitch.  Sigh.  At least he wasn't spattered all over the pavement.  

          I might add for SlackwareGrrl that busing was as controversial at the time in SF as it was elsewhere.  I was torn about it.  And it had virtually nothing do with racism.  It had to do with parents wanting their children to go to the nearest schools and worried about their children being scattered from hell to breakfast in what was a volatile city at the time.  Many black parents in SF, I believe, later came to the same conclusion and requested their children be sent back to their local schools.  It's hard enough to be a parent in a city without having your small children scattered around in different schools.  Which mine were.  Any kind of emergency, and there's hell to pay trying to get to them or round them up.

          Was I racist?  Well, perhaps I was when it came to black men stabbing my husband because he was white, or being frustrated with a black mother for teaching her young child to hate whites.  Situational racism.  All around.

          My issue with Kos blasting away at Ferraro, again, was that I believe he, and many others here, have miscontrued Ferraro's intent and context.  

          As far as I can tell, Ferraro is, and always has been, about and devoted to women's rights.  I sincerely doubt her statement was racist (except, I believe, situationally and peevishly).  I suspect it was more simple anger that a charasmatic man out of nowhere was shoving aside the first woman to have a real shot at the White House.

          So, if anything, I'd term Ferraro situationally pissed at an inconvenient man.  And an upstart, from her point of view, who's young enough to be her son and hasn't paid the same decades of dues that she and Clinton have.  And who has shown insufficient (to her) interest in women's issues.

          Kos and others here don't have to agree with her point of view or like her, just make an attempt to 'get it'.  Understand this:  rightly or wrongly, it's doubtless how millions of Clinton voters see it.

        •  Association tests ... (0+ / 0-)

          I show a slight preference for Blacks over whites.  And, alas, for women in the home;-)

          •  Were you surprised by the outcome? (1+ / 0-)
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            tovan

            Do you think any of your biases influence your voting preferences?  

            I also took the Native IQ test and was horrified to find that I scored in the bottom of knowledge of Native Americans.  Since I had read a lot, especially in my youth, about Native Americans, I thought I knew more than, in truth, I do.  The test helped me understand that the conditions for Native Americans in the US is abysmal, and I have been complicit in that, in by my failure even to know.

            I actually have wondered if the folks on DK, mostly progressives, show preferences similiar to yours. Did you support Senator Clinton in the primary?  Do you think you preference for women over men had any influence in your decision?  Was your preference for women over men greater than you slight preference for blacks over whites?  Do you think your slight preference for blacks over whites influences your decision to continue to support the Democratic nominee who is black?  Or do you believe your biases play no influence at all in your voting decisions or in any other decisions you make?

            I also invite you to go back to the link, click on home, and get to the Native IQ test.  I hope, for the sake of this country and Native peoples, you do much much better than I.  

            Regards.

            ps, Hat tip to Urtica dioica gracilis and her great diary on Native Americans with the original link. And yes, I am going to pimp her diary here.

            •  LOL. You should do a diary (1+ / 0-)
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              on the subject of bias and get a wider range of feedback!  Yes, I was a bit surprised;  but on reflection not so much.  I've apparently successfully gotten past any circumstantial anger with blacks.  Which gives me a bit more confidence in my thesis that biases and prejudice can be situational and temporary.

              I supported neither Clinton (because of her conservatism and war with Iraq vote) nor Obama (I worried he didn't have enough of a track record to judge him accurately.)  Mostly for environmental and comfort-with-his-record reasons, I wanted Gore.  I can't tell if or which biases played a role.

              I think I'm marginal in this community rather than typical.  Witness the above exasperation with Kos, eh?  And I've been troll-rated for my concerns about immigration.  Sometimes I feel rather irritatingly grandmotherly toward many of the younger, brasher users here.  I try to be witty instead of pontificating, but it gets away from me.    
               

              I scored in the middle on the Native IQ test, not excellent.  Mostly, I confess, because my son is a history teacher and has talked to me about the history of Native Americans and some of the horrors--which he teachs to his suburban high school students, by the way.  At least his students will be better educated on the subject than I was!

              Luck!

      •  Politics of Personal Destruction (2+ / 0-)
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        I couldn't agree more with your analysis, tovan.  Back when the entire Ferraro dust-up exploded, some cooler heads prevailed in the blogosphere.  Earl Ofari Hutchinson on The Huffington Post:

        "Ferraro got it right on both counts when she said that race has made a difference with Barack Obama. He has gotten a virtual free ride from much of the media. His paper thin voting record, lack of experience, zig zag stances on foreign policy issues, Republican lite positions on health care and the sub prime housing crisis, repeated subtle going negative against Hillary Clinton while giving himself a plausible deniability out and insuring that Clinton gets dumped on when she hits back has been blatantly obvious. The media and much of the public have kept hands off him in part out of sheer terror of being branded racist and in part out of hatred for Clinton. And that's the other thing that Ferraro got right. She flatly called the media sexist and said that many Americans, she really said America, has a huge problem with a woman running for president."

        Both Mario Cuomo and Lanny Davis are quoted in the 'Politico' piece that Kos links to. However, only the women quoted in the piece are singled out by Kos for an inability to get with the 'Obama' program.  If I were as reactionary as Kos seems to be in his post, I might accuse him of sexism.  Kos' ad hominem attack of Ferraro (and some of the uglier comments connected to his post) only puts a fine point on James Ridgeway's observation in An Unreasonable Man that Democrats can be:

        "...the meanest bunch of motherfuckers I’ve ever come across."

        The Politico piece is far from the first (or even most insightful) analysis of what I call 'The Othe Woman Syndrome'.  Back in early June, Christopher Beam was asking Slate readers if Clinton supporters would accept Sebelius as Obama's VP:

        Many Clinton supporters now see Kathleen Sebelius as The Other Woman. She's not a politician with her own individual record; she's Obama's sorry pander.

        I think Kos' time and effort would have been better spent asking why this phenomenon is taking place rather than engaging in the politics of personal destruction.

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