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  •  I saw that on Maher's show (3+ / 0-)
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    drbloodaxe, LaEscapee, virginwoolf

    and I must admit the man has a point. I'm not advocating screwing around on one's spouse but he's right when one finds themselves in a (physically) loveless relationship with the 3 options Maher outlines: Divorce, cheat or do without sex.

    I've also heard it said that "men are only as faithful as their options". (That may apply to some females too btw)

    So when the puritancal feces was hitting the oscillator here over Edward's on Friday, there were many comments by males who bragged they'd never cheated on their wives. I suspect many never had the opportunity to do so but still revel in the circumstances of their virtue.

    I can only speculate as to how many would've remained faithful if they had John Edward's looks, money and power - three of the main things that many attractive females are drawn to when looking for a mate.

    At any rate, I learned that Puritanism is indeed alive and well in America and after reading numerous comments here about Edward's indiscretions, it's doing fine here at DK too.

    This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

    by Snud on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 07:12:06 AM PDT

    •  You're kidding, right? (2+ / 0-)
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      wmtriallawyer, leawood

      I started laughing when I hit the "may apply to some females" part of your comment ...

      .. and continued laughing as you equated the DKos pissed-offedness last Friday to Puritanism.

      FYI, Puritanism was a religious dogma that included torture/imprisonment, capital punishment, subjugation of women and other 'lesser' races, etc. etc.

      Kossacks were angry because Edwards had the hubris to take their money and trust and make a run for the Presidency, in full knowledge of his affair - he was egotistical and narcissistic enought to believe that he'd get away with it, somehow, someway.

      What an asshole. He took our money, our trust, and could've been our nominee....

      •  I was married for 20 years (0+ / 0-)

        to a (now ex) wife who committed adultery. She did so to find "greener pastures".  Now perhaps I didn't put that clearly in my post but here's what I meant to say:

        Men do not have a monopoly on committing adultery and many times women commit adultery for the same reasons men do. How's that? Still laughing? Good.

        You don't need to define Puritanism to me or patronize me. And your "definition" of Puritanism leaves a bit out, don't you think?

        The dogma of which you speak - but leave out - also included attitudes against pleasure taken from a literal belief in the Bible.

        Jesus indicated that laughing in this life can cause eternal damnation of one's soul. He said, "Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep." (Luke 6:25) Christ also promoted a sorrowful attitude by promising salvation to those filled with gloom in this world: "Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh." (Luke 6:21)

        It's seen throughout the New Testament: Galatians 5:21 says those engaging in "revellings" shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Ephesians 5:3-4 proscribes "jesting." Titus 2:2 says men should be "sober" and "grave." James 4:9 admonishes Christians: "Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laugher be turned to mourning and your joy to heaviness."

        Based on such biblical teachings, Puritans and other Christians often viewed laughter, happiness, and pleasure as suspect and undesirable. Making matters worse, they frequently tried to impose their doleful philosophy on others.

        John Calvin is considered the founder of the Puritan ethic. The theocracy he established in sixteenth-century Geneva, Switzerland, prohibited dancing, drinking, gambling, card playing, ribaldry, fashionable clothes, and other amusements. Theaters were closed and attempts were made to drive taverns from the city.

        Proclaiming "the chief duty of man is to glorify God," Calvin required religious instruction for all, public fasting, austere living, and evening curfew. According to the town records, a man was imprisoned for three days for smiling during a baptism.

        When the Puritans temporarily gained control in England, they banned entertainments, closed theaters, opposed festivals, and prescribed the death penalty for sex outside of marriage.

        I suspect a few Kossacks might agree with that judging by comments left.

        Still laughing? Good...

        Because This is the aspect of Puritanism I'm talking about - and, I believe what Maher was referring to - not the aspects you refer to, which afaik, are not connoted when mentioning "Puritanism". You conveniently left those out.

        I'm well aware of some Kossack's rationale as to their objections over Edward's affair. Very few however address the fact that Elizabeth Edwards was well aware of her husband's infidelity yet few criticized her for not revealing it too  and I'd remind you that was not the topic of this diary or my response to it.

        And if not Puritanical I must say you do have the "Holier than thou" thing down pat.

        This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around!

        by Snud on Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 11:03:56 AM PDT

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