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  •  Oh, poor Joe! (10+ / 0-)

    McCain said, "Personally, I prefer someone who I know has a solid grounding in my faith [Christianity].  I feel that my faith is a better spiritual guide-- better spiritual guidance."

      Poor Joe Lieberman; after all those wet, sloppy kisses, planted on various parts of John McCain's anatomy, he gets dissed for being a Jew.  No Veepslot for you, Joe!

      BREFAKING: Joe Lieberman converts to Christianity.  "I had to do it for my good friend John," he says.

    •  Lieberman is an immoral opportunist (9+ / 2-)

      If he lived in Russia in 1946, Lieberman would be going around praising Joe Stalin.

      If he lived in Germany in 1936, Lieberman would have converted from Judiasm to whatever sect of Christianity Hitler would have desired.

      Lieberman will do whatever he feels he needs to do to make himself more relevant, more known, and more powerful.

      He goes from moderate Democrat in 1988 against Lowell Weicker to liberal democrat in 1994, to moderate democrat in 1996 to liberal democrat in 2000 (changed 8 major views of his overnight to be on Gore's ticket) to ultra right wing neo con by 2006.

      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

      by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 11:48:39 AM PDT

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      •  Point Taken But Was Jewishness Able to Be (4+ / 0-)
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        converted out of, in the minds of the Nazis? They seem to have been fixated on genetics in so many of their final solutions.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 11:53:33 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, DFQ - (3+ / 0-)
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        You couldn't convert your way out of the death camps.
        Check your facts before making snarky comments.

        •  He didn't mean it as snark (2+ / 1-)
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          DFQ has called Lieberman "Adolph Joe" and his hatred for him is well known.  He's also described millions of jews worldwide as "Evil".

          It's not snark.  It's hate.

          •  I Hate to Trollrate - (1+ / 0-)
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            But I must agree that the comment, in and of itself, is reprehensible.

            Do you have links to the the other comments you mentioned?

            •  no he's lying as usual (0+ / 0-)

              first, johnny I'm not faulting you for the HR although I disagree.

              Second, I was raised Jewish, my whole family is Jewish but that is probative of nothing.

              Third, I have consistently said that Jewish people are some of the greatest people in the world and about 90% of them have wonderful values.

              Fourth, my comment about Lieberman has NOTHING to do with his religion.  It's about Lieberman being an opportunist.

              Fifth, I have referred to a very small sect of Likudian zealots as evil and have said that they are a fringe of less than 10% who misuse the Jewish religion.  Braveheart can't give you the quote, he's just lieing as usuall.  He is RW troll and quite dishonest.  Look at his comment history and who he stalks at this site.

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 12:51:43 PM PDT

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              •  It's Really Gotten Nasty Around Here - (2+ / 0-)
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                Here, joking about a Jew converting for the Nazis -
                There, joking about Georgians advancing alternative energy.

                As much as you dislike Lieberman, it goes too far.

                I remember commenting fifteen years ago to a friend about how distraught Richard Nixon was at the funeral for his wife, Pat.  My friend said, "I don't care. I hope he is in agony."

                It doesn't have to be that way.

                •  You are fine (1+ / 0-)
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                  There is no beef with you.

                  The other person is a nasty right wing troll who came to this site back in Nov. specifically to stalk my diaries and comments.  if you see his comment history over 8 months, you will note that more than 75% of all comments of his have been in my diaries and my comments.

                  He also came to this site and called Obama and Clinton far left and said that McCain was way to the left of him.  

                  Look at his new signature line?  That deserves a troll rating.

                  He has also referred to Kossacks as "the nutroots" and made numerous trollish remarks.

                  His time is up, we need to join together and end his stay here.

                  I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                  by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:21:29 PM PDT

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                  •  I'll Follow Up - (1+ / 0-)
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                    As you have suggested.

                    •  he just changed the sig line (0+ / 0-)

                      earlier today it said

                      "I am to the right of McCain and I am right."

                      He's here to cause trouble, plain and simple.

                      I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                      by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:57:56 PM PDT

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                      •  Another lie (0+ / 0-)

                        (sigh)

                        Obama/Biden 08! (Well I can wish can't I?)

                        by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:01:19 PM PDT

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                        •  Sigh. (2+ / 0-)
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                          Not.

                          Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

                          by Pager on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:02:16 PM PDT

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                          •  You're not bad, pager... (0+ / 0-)

                            Really.  But you pick some strange people to defend on here.  bigdave is having a go at me because I called him on it when he said Joe Lieberman (who he calls "Adolph Joe") would have joined the Nazi party. Others called him on this as well.

                            He's also displayed an astonishing amount of misogyny, but I'll leave that alone for now.

                            Obama/Biden 08! (Well I can wish can't I?)

                            by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:16:31 PM PDT

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                          •  Feel free to join me in any of the hundreds (1+ / 0-)
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                            of diaries that I frequent. This is a political site--I'm sure you can find something that interests you, besides dave, that is.

                            Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

                            by Pager on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:33:41 PM PDT

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                          •  I'll admit... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...dave and I have gotten into it.  But if you look through my comment history, you'll find hundreds and hundreds of comments (the majority, in fact) that have nothing to do with dave.  And I certainly don't throw around the kind of hate and vitriol that he does.  And now he thinks someone can be banned for a sig line (even if I had the sig line he described, which I didn't, it would hardly be bannable).

                            Really, I genuinely have no problem with you, but I'm not sure why you'd want to defend someone like that.

                            But I'll leave it at that.  See you around.

                            Obama/Biden 08! (Well I can wish can't I?)

                            by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:40:12 PM PDT

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                          •  Just leave him alone (4+ / 0-)
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                            and we'll get alone fine.

                            You do have an obsession with dave and it is apparent to many on this site, not just me.

                            Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

                            by Pager on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:43:11 PM PDT

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                          •  Not really (0+ / 0-)

                            There's lots of people on here who disagree with me. But daves particular brand of hate, I must admit, troubles me, and I don't mind pointing it out.  Just because he has a handful of people who agree with him really doesn't mean much to me.

                            In any event, it's really not your place to fight his battles (and I'm not sure why you'd want to pick this guy to defend), but do what you will.  I for one don't have a beef with you, and certainly wont' fight with you.

                            Cheers.

                            Obama/Biden 08! (Well I can wish can't I?)

                            by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:50:58 PM PDT

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                          •  Good. (3+ / 0-)
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                            Then stop responding to me. I don't like you and I share that sentiment with many on this site.

                            You are a fake and a liar and I find both to be quite unappealing in a human being.

                            Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

                            by Pager on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:52:13 PM PDT

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                          •  I'll remind you.... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...that you first commented to me, then said you never would again, and, after I hadn't said a word to you for weeks, you popped up out of nowhere to comment to me again...followed by one of your trademark winks. Then you commented to me again today. I didn't initiate anything with you.

                            And, you'll excuse me if I don't take your judge of character very seriously, considering your proclivity to defend randy and dave.

                            Let's see if you can avoid responding to me yet again.  Until then, you won't hear anything from me.

                            Obama/Biden 08! (Well I can wish can't I?)

                            by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:07:11 PM PDT

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                          •  80 percent of his comments (0+ / 0-)

                            have been in my diaries or my threads.  If I actually count, I think the number is closer to ninety percent.

                            he came on right after the time when Hannity and the bookstore incident and Levin cancelling his book appearance last Nov. and Dec 1, respectively.

                            This stalker showed up just then.

                            The sad part about Major Flaw is that he is just a jerk and he is turning people away from this site. MF read Bravehearts comments about how Braveheart said Obama was far left and McCain was to the left of him and still defendant Braveheart as someone who will "make valuable contributions" here.

                            MF does NOT share Braveheart's political views.  I do think MF's views are closely aligned with those of this community and that politically, him and I probably agree on most things.  It has to do with a person who would put his personal animus over his self appointed role as a troll hunter.  And in doing so, he blew all his credibility.

                            MF has done this with many others, just attacking them for no reason and eventually what happens with the occasional poster is that they get tired of this BS, figure that this MF represents Daily Kos, and then become embittered when it's not the case.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:17:33 PM PDT

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                          •  Cheer up. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Literally dozens of folks have called out flaw in the last month. His behavior is no longer under the radar or acceptable to thinking people that care about this blog and its future.

                            He continues with his CT theories on why folks "gang up" on him, when in reality, he's been doing it for years, starting with his very own little gang of email and text messaging buddies that got together for the "greater good" of this blog to ban Reality Bias and then just kept on going.

                            What comes around goes around, although I do appreciate that he cannot comprehend that some of us are now watching both him and brave and that there is no concerted effort--just loads of folks that are sick of both of them and their obsessive bullshit.

                            And by the way, it wouldn't hurt to mention this to an Admin. I have done so already but the more the merrier. When these two "attorneys" begin costing this site money by driving away potential users, their behavior will no longer be tolerated.

                            In the meantime, I'm off work soon and to the grocery store.

                            Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

                            by Pager on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:29:56 PM PDT

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                          •  I'm 100 percent with you (0+ / 0-)

                            They could be the same person but I doubt it.

                            Braveheart is a wingnut, far right 5% fringe, probably living in his mom's basement on Long Island.

                            Major Flaw I think can be called a troll.  I'd call him a "Turnoff Troll" in which, while I don't doubt his politics are consistent with this site, he simply is here to turn people off by unfairly attacking, making things too personal, lieing, going after people for no reason, ad hominems, etc... all while proclaiming that others are doing to him what he does to others.  The effect of what he does is to turn people off.  I'm too entrenched to be turned off b/c I love the people here and will go to bat for almost all of them.

                            Dozens have apparently noticed this as well about Major Flaw.  Personally I wish he'd tone it down and simply be constructive.  He has smart observations from time but his ego is just out of control.

                            Enjoy work, got home 30 mins ago and I am zonked.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:35:18 PM PDT

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                          •  you are going to love this (0+ / 0-)

                            http://www.dailykos.com/...

                            He had as his signature line for most of today

                            "I am to the right of John McCain and I am right."

                            He changed it later this afternoon to Obama/Biden

                            He is now claiming that this has been his "long time sig line."

                            I've never seen someone lie online like this.  I don't know who is worse, him or Hannity.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:33:30 PM PDT

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                          •  Oh and FYI? (3+ / 0-)
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                             To be honest (1+ / 0-)

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                            I really don't care whether he is here or not. If people like Rangithr can dose out their daily profanity and abuse and not only remain,  but be praised for it, by people like cometboy and his trusty sidekick pagergirl,  I think it's a losing cause. geOrge is the same.

                            I used to think bigdave was one of the worst on here, but really he's just a big ill-tempered child compared to some others (see Rangithr).  He only got banned before because he pissed off the wrong person. Since there are so many worse offenders, bigdave isnt going anywhere.

                            But neither am I.

                            Obama/Biden 08! (Well I can wish can't I?)

                            by BraveheartDC on Tue Aug 12, 2008 at 02:48:24 PM MDT

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                            Cometman isn't here anymore. But he sure does seem to freak you and the flaw out in a big way. I wonder why that is...hmm...

                            Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

                            by Pager on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 02:54:26 PM PDT

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                          •  oh you, trusty sidekick pagergirl (1+ / 0-)
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                            stirring up the soup again? Contentious issues indeed.

                            This thread full of yip-yap gives me deja vu. And there's a whole nother thread of it right below. Couldn't we just send Dave and Brave out with pistols at dawn? I expect you're making sense again, you mostly do.

                            I'll be back to look at this fracas this evening, but I'm out the door as we speak.

                            In the meantime, I'm off work soon and to the grocery store.

                            I hope you got me chocolate and cereal.

                            "Problems can't be solved by the same level of thinking that created them" Einstein

                            by Brecht on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:52:23 AM PDT

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                          •  I got you neither and you'll be happy for it. :) (2+ / 0-)
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                            I did buy myself a pound of thinly sliced prosciutto and sliced some up with some Italian mozzarella cheese and vine ripened tomatoes. And it was yummy. Not to rub it in or anything.

                            And why can't I be the super hero? Why am I always relegated to sidekick? It's because I'm a girl, isn't it? :(

                            Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow

                            by Pager on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:42:31 AM PDT

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                          •  Brecht is a solid member of this community (0+ / 0-)

                            Brecht wants what's best and I am of the opinion that Brecht realizes that BraveheartDc is a right wing troll and a stalker.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:00:24 PM PDT

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                        •  administration can check it out (0+ / 0-)

                          to see who's lying mr. right winger.

                          You've gained what, 1 ally here in 8 months and that ally has exposed himself so poorly.

                          I've got your number and his and now it's getting dialed up.

                          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                          by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:10:45 PM PDT

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                          •  This Commenter (0+ / 0-)

                            Just jumped around hijacking several diaries trying to get me banned (he got a total of 3 recs and I got not a single HR from it, except from him...in violation of site rules).  He just doesn't feel the community is big enough for both of us.  

                            If banning is the price for standing up to hate, so be it.  I'll survive.  

                            Obama/Biden 08! (Well I can wish can't I?)

                            by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:17:12 PM PDT

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                          •  Did you or did you not (0+ / 0-)

                            Have in your signature line, in sum and substance, for the better part of today the following:

                            "I am to the right of McCain and I am right."

                            Answer - yes or no.

                            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 03:18:29 PM PDT

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          •  TR and seek to ban you (1+ / 0-)
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            Your signature line says it all.

            Buh Bye.

            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:03:07 PM PDT

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      •  Loser (1+ / 1-)
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        If he lived in Germany in 1936, Lieberman would have converted from Judiasm to whatever sect of Christianity Hitler would have desired.

        Joe Lieberman would not have had the opportunity to convert, dave.  He'd likely be dead today if he would have lived in 1930's Germany...which how I'm sure you would have like it.

        Not worth ever responding to another thing you ever say.  You deserve no respect after this comment.

        You're an immoral hypocrite.

        •  The RW liar and troll is back (0+ / 0-)

          What is reprehensible is your constant twisting of words to suit your right wing agenda.  And you LOVE taking me out of context, just LOVE it.

          My pinky has more morality than your entire body.

          As for hypocrite, nice job stalking yesterday only to get called out on it and withdraw the rec from stalking.

          You're following around every comment again for whatever right wing project you are a part of.

          Perhaps you will follow your own advice and never respond to another comment of mine again.

          but knowing you to be the hypocrite you are, I doubt that will be the case.

          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

          by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 12:56:21 PM PDT

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          •  and everyone should also note (0+ / 0-)

            how johnny and alex DISAGREE with me strongly on this point but yet make their cases and points in a NON troll way.

            I commend them for that although I disagree with them.

            As for Braveheart, we all know he's a right wing piece of garbage whose days on this site appear (as he claims himself) to be coming to a rapid end.

            I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

            by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 12:59:30 PM PDT

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            •  Lies from a banned sock puppet (0+ / 1-)
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              This commenter (he's lost the right to address him directly), has been previously banned on this site under his old alias bigdavefromqueens,in part because of his anti-religion vitriol.  Of course, all faiths are welcome here, including atheists and agnostics, but bigdave specifically diaried and mocked those of faith.  Glancing through his old diaries displays his utter hate and contempt for all religion...including Judaism.  If he was indeed raised Jewish, it's obvious that is no longer part of the hateful person who is posting here.  In addition to calling all bibles "fiction", and denigrating people of faith, bigdave had indeed Joe Lieberman "Adolf Joe".  No matter what we think of Liberman's political stances these days, that's behavior we should neither participate in or condone.

              But don't take my word for it.  Glance through his diaries will confirm not only his obsession with Lieberman, but a disturbing predilection to call people he doesn't like "Nazi" or "Hitler" on a regular basis. It does not bother big dave at all that he cheapens the word this way.

              If there's any justice, he will be banned again.

              I am to the right of McCain. I am right, and McCain is wrong.

              by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:02:09 PM PDT

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              •  you are about to be banned (1+ / 0-)
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                see ya.

                as for the "big dave" this was addressed two years ago.

                Good try.

                I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:04:03 PM PDT

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                •  Banned for what? (0+ / 1-)
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                  HR'ng a comment that everyone found offensive? For standing up to blatant hate and antisemitism?

                  If that's the case, I'll proudly take any banning.

                  •  for acknowledging that you are a right wing nut (0+ / 0-)

                    you put in in your sig line.  Of course you'll try to claim that it is snark but now you can never erase it.

                    Your charge of anti-semitism is a smear and a lie.  Calling a VERY small group of people intolerant or evil WHILE pointing out that they do NOT speak for the religion they do it under is not anti-semitic.

                    And you should never talk about anti-semitism with me because I grew up with conservative bigots in a very rEpublican area and experienced it.  I know what it is and will fight and stand up to true anti-semites with every bone in my being.

                    I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                    by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:12:51 PM PDT

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                •  knew you'd go out in flames (1+ / 0-)
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                  You put into your sig line that you are to the Right of John Mccain.

                  As if your comments to said effect were not enough.

                  Your stay will end.  

                  oh a sockpocket is when someone is using multiple accts at the same time, something I've never done nor ever would do.  Another lie on your part.

                  As for the "big dave" I've been candid for 2 years and have said numerous times that as a newbie then I wrote a couple of things which were inappropriate and I apologized for them.  

                  As for my politics, center-left mainstream progressive and I'm proud to be part of this community, some of the greatest people I've ever met.

                  I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

                  by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:10:48 PM PDT

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      •  Cannot believe I am writing a pro-Lieberman (3+ / 0-)
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        comment; but some lines should not be crossed without a response.  I dislike much, if not most, of what Lieberman has been up to, but to say he would have followed Hitler crosses the line

        Non, je ne regrette rien

        by alexnovo on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 12:28:59 PM PDT

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        •  it's not about his religion, it's about opportuni (1+ / 0-)
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          sm.

          Lieberman would DO ANYTHING for power.

          That includes converting to Stalinism, Nazism, or Flying Spaghettism.

          That's the point.

          I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

          by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 12:53:34 PM PDT

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          •  Places not to go (2+ / 0-)
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            I understand part of what you are saying; but comparing anyone to a NAZI is almost never a good idea and when you compare a Jewish person to a Nazi - I think you are going too far.  Let me say that I consider Joe to be a traitor to the Democratic Party- but I would also say that the main reason he takes the stands he does, is from a misguided belief on his part that his stands help Israel.  I believe he is absolutely wrong; but I do not think he is, or would ever be, a NAZI and saying that he would goes too far.  I did not troll rate you, for many reasons, one of which is that I give you the benefit of the doubt on some of the claims others have made,  I just think using the NAZI card is too much.

            Non, je ne regrette rien

            by alexnovo on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:00:19 PM PDT

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            •  Indeed (0+ / 0-)

              If Lieberman really would go along with anything for political gain, why is he brining the scorn of his entire party down on him?  If he would be willing to abandon his beliefs join the NAZI party, and disown his religion (as davefromqueens suggests), then why not just turn against the war, abandon Bush and McCain and simply go back the the Dem party? He's had multiple opportunities to do so...including during his primary when his job was a steak.

              He's in danger of losing his Chairmanship, seniority in the Senate, etc. It would be so simple for him to secure all of that. If he's so willing to abandon his beliefs, why doesn't he do that?

              I really don't care about Lieberman much one way or the other...but to suggest the guy would abandon his religion and join the Nazi party is just crossing the line.

              Obama/Biden 08! (Well I can wish can't I?)

              by BraveheartDC on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:30:27 PM PDT

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        •  You can argue it crosses the line in terms of (2+ / 0-)
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          being incendiary, but as a cogent logical statement, dave is not exactly reaching.  Hagee has said reprehensible things about Jews that are synonymous with the Nazi view, and Lieberman continues to court him publically even after McCain had to cut the cord.  I live in CT, and I have always detested Lieberman for as long as I've been a voter; I thought he was the worst possible VP choice in 2000, and none of the awful things that he's done since then that have appalled me actually surprised me.

          But the Hagee thing is a bridge too far.

          Can you imagine publically schmoozing with someone who wishes death upon your entire race?

          That is the definition of what a collaborator would have been in the 1930's, so the factual merit of dfq's point, despite being highly inflammatory, stands up.

          Obama/McCaskill vs. McCain/Jindal? Call it a funny feeling.

          by ShadowSD on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:07:00 PM PDT

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            and it gives me a headache to even type anything that is remotely good about Joe.  I think I made my views clear and I do not accuse Dave or anyone else of anti-semitic leanings.  So as not to get a worse headache I will leave it at what I have said above.

            Non, je ne regrette rien

            by alexnovo on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:10:14 PM PDT

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            •  and i'll rec both comments (2+ / 0-)
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              b/c I know all 3 of us have the best of intentions here.

              Shadow made my case better than I did.

              I'll add that my point is about opportunism and thoughts of converts never entered my mind.

              I should have mentioned the Hagee connection b/c Hagee to me is an actual Nazi and if he ever started preaching elimination of Jews in this country, (and I'll be careful with my wording) then I will only say this:

              Put me on the jury of a person accused of taking Hagee out and I can not see any way in the world I convict.

              I grew up with anti-Semitism out in rural Suffolk county.  Trust me, I have no tolerance for anti-semites and had to occasionally walk down the halls of middle school and high school and have RW bigots shout out "Jew"  Perhaps this is one of the reasons why I've always been considered one of the more "pro israel" diarists here.

              I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.

              by davefromqueens on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 01:18:56 PM PDT

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      but kinda sick

      Irwin Tang, author of Gook: John McCain's Racism and Why It Matters

      by Irwin Tang on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 11:53:03 AM PDT

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      •  Edit Nit: The Word "Gook" In Your Book Title (0+ / 0-)

        at the end of the diary is not in italics with the rest of the title. At first I though you meant to write:

        author of the Book: John McCain's Racism...."

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 11:56:42 AM PDT

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