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  •  Is it Safe? (10+ / 0-)

    There's a reason why those seeking to use torture have always valued medical professionals lacking any moral compass.  These are the people who know where the buttons are installed. These are the people who know how to make someone ache beyond the ability to endure.

    •  And in so doing, (10+ / 0-)

      minimize the visible scars.

      They're pros.

      And they're beneath contempt.  People who study how to help others and then go on to harm them should be locked in a tiny room with Dick Cheney and a shotgun.

      Je suis inondé de déesses

      by Marc in KS on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 05:43:28 PM PDT

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      •  They are sadists. Another 'profession' rife with (1+ / 0-)
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        sadists is the clergy.  There are more than a few sadistic people drawn to the Helping/Healing arena because it offers them a destructive power over others and a veneer of respectability.

        "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

        by 417els on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:32:04 PM PDT

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        •  wow, that's a sweeping generalization (3+ / 0-)
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          I take issue with "rife" with sadists.  She deserves to be court-martialed, have her license revoked, and go to jail but to say the profession is rife with sadists is a bit much.

          Eyes on the Prize - JedReport

          by juslikagrzly on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 08:53:38 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, rife was too strong. But their are plenty (0+ / 0-)

            of them in the professions that are considered to be Helping/Healing.

            "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

            by 417els on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 09:05:25 PM PDT

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            •  there are "some" evil people in all (1+ / 0-)
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              professions, helping or otherwise.  Eg the government is run by evil people at the moment, but to say all government employees are evil is a fallacy.

              Eyes on the Prize - JedReport

              by juslikagrzly on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 09:08:17 PM PDT

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              •  I did not say "all". "Many" does not mean "all". (0+ / 0-)

                Sadistic people who end up having harmful individual personal control over others, by means of joining the Healing/Helping professions, are particularly odious.

                "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

                by 417els on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 01:54:42 PM PDT

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    •  When I talk to my Intro Psych students (7+ / 0-)

      about the Milgram and Zimbardo experiments, I let them know about how torture does not give good information.  Some of them don't believe me.

      I then do some boasting.  I tell them, "Give me complete control over your life--eating, sleeping, bathroom "privledges," and all that--eventually, I could get any one of you to confess to having killed Abraham Lincoln.  In a matter of weeks, you will be making a videotape swearing that you are the reincarnation of John Wilkes Booth."  But I meant it.

      Now, I wouldn't actually DO anything like that--or assist other people in figuring out how to do that--but that is just what the BSCT psychologists did.

      Fucking assholes.

      To say my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

      by Dar Nirron on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:05:06 PM PDT

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    •  The evil of medical professionals who pervert (2+ / 0-)
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      scientific knowledge to do harm, to torture, is unbearably ugly.  Not at all charismatic, like Laurence Olivier's Dr. Szell, although they try to be.  

      I wish "Dr." Zierhoffer utter insignificance and scorn by decent people everywhere.  There is no constitutional amendment to protect against this.

      "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa

      by zootfloggin on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:58:47 PM PDT

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