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    is reprinted on what appears to be a white supremacist site, I fail to see the connection between observing that "European man" is willingly going extinct and racism. I maintain that it is clear from an honest reading of his writings that his concern is about the accompanying extinction of the Western culture heritage embedded in those European men and women. It is quite natural for someone to feel upset about a trend of annihilation of his culture.

    •  White Supremacist? (4+ / 0-)
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      Don't you mean "pro-Caucasian Pride" or haven't you gone that far over the edge yet?

      "the train tracks all run parallel, but they'll all meet up one day" -- John Prine

      by rockhound on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 01:09:22 PM PDT

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      First, there is no such thing as "European Man"  -- that is code for "White People", i.e., a racial construct. You are free to use this code word, but I'd call it racist.

      Second, Buchanan is hung up on white people not reproducing fast enough, and others replacing them.

      Third, your point about culture is BS -- Europe does not have one monolithic culture that is separable from the culture of the rest of the world, and its culture is very successful in spreading throughout the world (think Mozart, Democracy, the Roman Catholic Church, Shakespear).

      Buchanan is a hardcore, dyed in the wool racist bemoaning the era when "European Woman" was a breeding chattel.

      Obama, don't take my advice. I'm just an anonymous blogger on the 'nets.

      by Bronxist on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 01:45:57 PM PDT

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      •  Pure nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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        Mozart, Democracy, the Roman Catholic Church, Shakespeare

        Yes, of course.  What was I thinking. All of those things are positively thriving today. Western Civilization is in no way in decline. Yes, everyone's listening to Mozart on their iPods and Shakespeare is being performed on city street corners and read widely on the city buses.

    •  now we're getting somewhere (1+ / 0-)
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      You fail to see what this has to do with racism...

      "I fail to see the connection between observing that "European man" is willingly going extinct and racism."

      Go read a little about fascist rhetoric from the 1920s and 1930s.

      If you don't hear the racism in the European Man comment then there is really nothing to discuss with you.  You've demonstrated that we are talking to an unread, uneducated, historically unaware person.  And as always, ignorance is often the source of racism.

      "A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can even get its boots on."

      by Miles on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 06:11:31 PM PDT

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      •  Some people think that the only (1+ / 0-)
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        way another person can be racist is if they wear a white sheet and yell "nigger".  Anyone who can honestly argue that Buchanan is not a racist is likely in that group.

      •  There is nothing racist (0+ / 0-)

        about bewailing what you perceive to be your culture's self-chosen path of decline and destruction of your culture. Those who call Buchanan racist are most likely hard-core relativists who don't think there is such a thing as great and not so great cultures. For such people, all cultures are equal, making the rise and fall of cultures not something to be cheered or mourned, but something of no consequence. So when someone like Buchanan says that Western civilization has certain values that are great and valuable and healthy for humanity, the relativists call him a racist, etc.

        Was TS Eliot a "racist"for writing "The Wasteland?"
        Yeats for writing "The Second Coming?"

        You folks toss around these terms like sledgehammers to bludgeon anyone who disagrees with you.

        •  Bewailing puts you off balance (0+ / 0-)

          Sometimes when you are in a state of grief it impairs your ability to think...

          T.S. Eliot was a virulent racist and antisemite... not for the Wasteland in particular, but for the sum of everything he wrote.

          http://query.nytimes.com/...

          When Yeats defends Western Civ in The Second Coming he is indeed being parochial and narrow minded... and really quite insane considering the then recent Great War.

          Should a man love his mother more or less than his father?  

          I celebrate the birth and mourn the death of all cultures.  Why should I celebrate or mourn more for one than another?  Are you seriously proposing that all cultures are NOT equal?   And yet you contend that you are not a racist?  Well there you go again.

          Tell us precisely how your culture is better than others.  I'm sure we are all listening.  Then let's invite some folks from other cultures and they will tell us how their cultures are better.  Then we will have a big party and try to decide who is really right.  Won't that be fun!  I'm sure it will be easy to come up with an objective set of measures to score each culture and determine whose is best.  

          Oh, and be sure to bring along some judges who don't belong to any of the cultures so that we don't have any cultural biases in the decision making...

          Seriously, does the fact that one happens to be born in New Jersey bestow a particular value on New Jersey culture that elevates it above Jarkarta or Sudan?  

          Buchanan does not simply say that Western culture is good... he says that it is better.    And therein lies the problem.

          Furthermore to proclaim one's goodness from a position of power (and Western Civ is powerful), is ipso facto, to claim one's superiority.  The great man speaks humbly, the great culture practices humility.  The braggadocio of Buchanan's ilk bespeaks the small mindedness and hatred of his heart and of his culture.

          Since this Western Civ thing apparently includes Pat Buchanan's values, we have proof positive that there is an evil at the heart of Western Civilization that should be excised and that drags us down to the lowest level ... but we are forgiving people so we let the Buchanans fester in their isolated little corners spewing their hate and defending their own righteous purity.  

          Unfortunately when we have the big "whose culture is best party" someone is going to point to Pat Buchanan over at the chips and dips table, with the guacamole all dribbling down his tie, and we'll be completely sunk.

          "A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can even get its boots on."

          by Miles on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 09:47:36 AM PDT

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