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  •  There was a big set up (none)
    but that doesn't stop him from saying I forgot. I never said he might have forgot, I said it could be spun that way. Really, what is the response to him saying her forgot -- "no, we could tell from the set up...." That's not going to help. And pointing out he knew Edwards doesn't even really do much to disprove his overall point since the picture was at a prayer breakfast and the other thing was some stupid thing with Elizabeth Dole. It doesn't debunk the idea that Edwards missed votes and meetings.

    Also, it's not as big an issue as lying about the Iraq-9/11 connection, and then lying about lying about it.  

    He lied. That's a good thing to be able to point out. And if the meeting lie was all there was, I'd be pretty happy with it. But I think the lie about the Iraq-9/11 thing is better.

    •  Cheney SWORE EDWARDS INTO THE SENATE (none)
      on January 7, 2003.

      It's on the NewsHour site, about a minute into this footage.

      Someone please do a screen capture of this (it's windows media directx) and post it!  There's a camera sweep where Cheney, Lizzie Dole and Edwards are all in one frame.  Cheney is swearing them into the Senate.  Edwards is STANDING ABOUT 5 FEET AWAY IN PLAIN SIGHT.

      "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." -Plato

      by sunzoo on Wed Oct 06, 2004 at 12:09:25 AM PDT

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      •  He was swearing Liz Dole in (none)
        But not Edwards (who was already 4 years into his term by then).  Edwards was simply accompanying Liz Dole to the swearing in, as is customary for Senators from the same state.
      •  As much as it pains me to say this... (none)
        Jonathan Alter made a good point on NPR today.

        Why didn't Edwards correct him then and there?

        "We met when Elizabeth Dole was sworn in Mr. Vice President"

        Bam.

    •  This lie really matters (none)
      Believe it or not, this is the first time in months of hitting my head against the wall that I've had an impact on the online church ladies. They think Bush won last week.  They think Cheney "held Edwards accountable."  

      But when I gave them the link to the prayer breakfast photo, they gasped and called Cheney rude and remembered the funny look on Edwards' face when Cheney said he hadn't met him.

      Apparently the fact that they met AT A PRAYER BREAKFAST and Cheney "forgot" it is meaningful on Planet Republicanbase.

      Also, when you think about it, even if Edwards really had only showed up for a third of the votes or whatever, that's still hundreds of votes. They would have met. They did meet. A lot. We've just found photographic proof of two instances in the first 12 hours. And the frothy-mouthed baby masticator just thought it might be fun to make shit up for political gain. It looked nuclear for a moment, but in retrospect, their Sunday Punch comes across as cheap, clumsy and dishonest, and just the sort of "It's not the act itself, but the bad judgment that makes it an issue" thing that the press jumps all over, just like "Love Story" and "invented the internet" and all the piddly little molehill-into-mountain indignities they've kicked at us for the past decade.

      Poland? Heck, Bush can't even remember the goddam ALAMO!

      by AdmiralNaismith on Wed Oct 06, 2004 at 06:45:14 AM PDT

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      •  Selective data (none)
        Also, the data on the attendance record, like that "most liberal member of the senate" claim, focuses on a cherry-picked part of Edwards' senate term. It is true that in 2003-4 his attendance record has been very low, though typical for a presidential candidate.

        Prior to his entry in the race, Edwards attendance record for the first four years of his term was 95%, one of the highest in the Senate. And Cheney was chairing the senate for at least two of those years.

        That number is below in this thread. See the post titled "Attendance Record" by BatmanRKC.

    •  I've been telling people that Cheney (none)
      was so rattled by Edwards strong opening that he forgot that they had met when Elizabeth Dole was sworn in; that he forgot that they had met at the national prayer breakfast;that he forgot that they had met on Meet the Press.

      "Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"

      by molly bloom on Wed Oct 06, 2004 at 06:47:50 AM PDT

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    •  Leahy's comment (none)
      Thats true, however ... I found Patrick Leahy's comment EXTREMELY interesting about this. I had heard this before but it was nice to be reminded. When Cheney went to the senate on Tuesdays he ONLY met with the republicnas to caucus in a separate room, leaving the 49 Democrats to merely watch the Repugs go off and play without them. Maybe THATS why he never met him on the floor ... he deliberately ignored him ... so much like the schoolyard bully that he is.

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