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  •  IS IT THAT BIG OF A DEAL? (3+ / 0-)
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    I dont know much about Colorado water issue , but is it that huge that if you even say you think it should be re-open for negotiation , it would cost McCain the 9 electorates in the state?

    I hope so because Obama really needs to lock up colorado as fast as possible and move to other states.

    •  Check out some of the upthread comments (3+ / 0-)
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      on the history of water wars in the west.  Yeah it's a big deal.

      Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. Voltaire 1694-1778

      by SallyCat on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 02:50:09 PM PDT

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    •  BSL, You Bet (6+ / 0-)

      I know, coming from back east, it seemed weird to me too...we had water everywhere and I couldn't imagine a place where water is valued more than gold...until I came to Colorado.

      Even though most of the rivers start here high up in the mountains, the volume is not all that significant.  The Arkansas river in Colorado is NOTHING like the Arkansas river in Arkansas -- and all the agricultural business is highly dependent on that very scarce resource.  Water is highly protected...cities buy up water rights and as Frankenoid pointed out, there is even a separate court system to settle legal disputes on water rights.

      So yes, although seemingly implausible to the uninitiated, it is a VERY BIG DEAL

      The Meek Shall Inherit NOTHING

      by LickBush on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 02:53:56 PM PDT

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    •  It's about as big an issue in the West as (8+ / 0-)

      issues get.

      Period.

      Seriously.

      It tends not to come up because it's all been stolen and grabbed and nailed down legally for long enough that anything -- literally -- about it is cause for decades of litigation.

      So no one expects it to come up.  It's a resolved topic, but an incredibly explosive one.

      I can't think of anything equivalent in the East to compare it to that would resonate.  Not since the North South slavery controversy.

      We need not think alike to love alike -- Ferenc Dávid

      by ogre on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 02:56:21 PM PDT

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      •  We have a Water Rights Dept. in OR (3+ / 0-)
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        Which is solely responsible for adjudicating these issues, it's that big a deal...

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        by skywaker9 on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 03:04:37 PM PDT

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      •  For just a brief read on how complex this is (3+ / 0-)
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        In Oregon, look at this: http://www1.wrd.state.or.us/...

        "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

        by skywaker9 on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 03:05:28 PM PDT

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      •  The biggest game loser in the East (1+ / 0-)
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        was when Gerald Ford as interregnum Pres. said "Drop Dead New York" during its financial crisis.  

        That was the beginning of the end of Republican dominance in NY/NJ/CT.

        Not to mention Bush's mishandling of 911 and Guiliani's clusterf**k of the firefighters and police and their families.

        Turning the Coachella Valley and Pass Blue One Blog Posting at a Time

        by BlueBeaumontBoyz on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 05:54:43 PM PDT

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      •  It's that important? (1+ / 0-)
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        So Coloradoans would really vote against McCain based on this single statement on a single issue?  How many of them will even know that McCain said this?

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 06:27:00 PM PDT

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        •  Some certainly would. (1+ / 0-)
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          Water is a literal life and death issue for many farmers and ranchers... and towns.  Take it and the agriculture goes away and the towns become ghost towns.  Same in other states.

          Big, hairy deal and many would vote their livelihoods and the value of their homes and farms and the existence of their towns over all the rest, yeah.  Hell... most people would, I suspect, faced with that.

          As for how many know... who knows?  It's in the Denver Post and a couple other papers, and officials throughout the state are kneejerking violently.  Obama really ought to run ads to drive it home....

          We need not think alike to love alike -- Ferenc Dávid

          by ogre on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 08:14:32 PM PDT

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        •  I pointed out above (0+ / 0-)

          Colorado's legislature-initiated Referendums used to be lettered every year starting with the letter "A".  In 2003, now-Senate candidate Bob Schaffer was among those who supported a "Referendum A" that proposed pumping Western Slope water back to the Front Range cities.

          The voters so hated the proposal that they never again voted in favor of any measure - no matter its text - named "Referendum A" and the Legislature finally changed the naming scheme to get around the stigma.  John Salazar won the open CO-03 Congressional seat in part because his opponent supported Ref. A.  And Bob Schaffer has apparently learned that you don't screw with Coloradans' water, because he just told McCain that he could expect negotiations to begin when snowmen populated Hell.

          The Pueblo Chieftain, Grand Junction Sentinel, Durango Herald, and Denver Post all wrote pretty negative pieces on the statement.  The only major news source remotely kind to McCain on the matter was today's Rocky Mountain News.  (The TV news has ignored the story, apparently...)

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

          by Phoenix Rising on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 11:57:50 PM PDT

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    •  yes... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...it's THAT big of a deal....

      here's a mccain quote in the chieftain article:

      "I think that there's a movement amongst the governors to try, if not, quote, renegotiate, certainly adjust to the new realities of high growth, of greater demands on a scarcer resource.

      "Conditions have changed dramatically, so I'm not saying that anyone would be forced to do anything because I'm a federalist and believe in the rights of states," [McCain] added. "But at the same time there's already been discussion amongst the states, and I believe that more discussion amongst the governors is probably something that everybody wants us to do."

      if i were governor of colorado, i would have challenged mccain to a duel.

      The radical invents views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them. - Mark Twain

      by FemiNazi on Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 06:14:18 PM PDT

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