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  •  Extra ordinary claims and all that (6+ / 0-)

    It's very LIKELY that McCain stole this story, but there is no actual proof. "Scratching religious signs into the dirt" stories are as old as Christianity itself, especially if you  read the histories of Christianity after the persecutions began (though it was normally a fish, not a cross)

    It's also very hard to prove something didn't happen, particularly when the only witnesses were McCain and his anonymous guard.

    Claiming a major presidential candidate plagairized a part of his life story is a dynamite charge, on that could sink a presidential candidate even this far into the election cycle.   Much as we might wish otherwise, its responsible journalism to proceed with caution.  But, I believe it would be equally irresponsible NOT to raise the question at all.  SO we'll have to take a wait and see approach on this one.

    Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

    by Magorn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 06:28:38 AM PDT

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    •  but it's just soooooooooooooooo unlikely (3+ / 0-)
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      as to really, really, really strain credulity.

      any stats on the christian population of vietnam circa our misadventure there?

      and then, what percentage of them might be in the viet cong?

      i think that Venn diagram would be fascinating.

      it's just hella crazy coincidental for mccain to have had the same prisoner experience as Solzhenitsyn, an author with whom he is quite familiar.

      add in the other details about the timeline of this story first appearing in mccain's repertoire, and i'm sorry.  i know it's still at best circumstantial, but i firmly believed he plagiarized.  it's just too much.

      where was he imprisoned, anyway?  it is very, very easy to corroborate whether mccain's prison had a dirt courtyard.

      "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

      by Cedwyn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 07:42:33 AM PDT

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      •  Disagree. Cross is most used religious symbol. nt (1+ / 0-)
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        by Gorette on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:14:21 AM PDT

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      •  Gotta think like a defense attorney (7+ / 0-)

        Given that Vietnam was a former French colony, and had its share of missionaires and parochial schools pre-war,  the existence of Vietnamese Christians  isn't totally unexpected.

        and of course the reason McCain didn't mention him in 1973 was ecause he didn't want to get the guy in trouble,

        And as to the Similarities with the Novel?  Well communist gulags and communist prison camps are bound to have some similarities.  

        of course all this is BS but it is what you'll be hearing from that side soon

        Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

        by Magorn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:33:15 AM PDT

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        •  If you end up hearing this from their side... (6+ / 0-)

          ...then the media war is already won, because it means McCain is on the defense about what he regards as his strength.

          (Hence, why I think this story will probably get no mention at all in the traditional media.)

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          by SLKRR on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:39:56 AM PDT

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        •  of course it's not unexpected (4+ / 0-)
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          but that would be a damn fascinating Venn diagram.  i'm sorry, but i think the odds of such are slim.

          a cursory googling says that christians were routinely persecuted in vietnam.

          "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

          by Cedwyn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:09:30 AM PDT

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        •  Why did McCain never point out the similarity? (3+ / 0-)
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          I think McCain (well, his ghost writer anyway, who is a bit of a Solzhenitsyn expert) even wrote a obituary of Solzhenitsyn, without mentioning the similarity of his own experience with that well known story about the Nobel prize winner.

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          by Calouste on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:54:39 AM PDT

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          •  Now you're cooking with Gas! (0+ / 0-)

            Now you got something, Since both McCain and the writer have read that book, the should, at the very least have been struck enough, by the similarity  to comment on it.

            That is indeed the dog that didn't bark.

            Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

            by Magorn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:26:59 PM PDT

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    •  He didn't mention it before (6+ / 0-)
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      As some other commentators have pointed out, McCain gave a detailed (12K word) account in 1973 of his time as a POW. The cross incident should have figured in that if it happened. It wasn't mentioned.

      That, rather than the similarity to the Solzhynitsn story, is what makes his current use of it suspicious.

      American foreign policy is NOT a Viagra substitute.

      by DanK Is Back on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 08:49:16 AM PDT

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      •  yes and his answer will be (2+ / 0-)
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        If I'dve mentioned it back then I might have put his life in jeopardy if anyone figured  out who he was.

        I agree with your analysis I'm just telling you what their response will be

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        by Magorn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 09:32:22 AM PDT

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