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  •  how old are you? WHERE did the infrastructure to (1+ / 0-)
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    have networks come from?

    Where did the routers come from? the fiber optic cable?

    The stuff got MADE somewhere and SHIPPED to customers and INSTALLED and CONNECTED in thousands of locations with


    Where did the money for that stuff come from?

    In the 40's and 50's and 60's people were making family wages AND they paid some of those wages into community investment

    and NOW there is the infrastructure for the internet and people like YOU!

    This shit didn't just pop outta the air when YOU needed it.

    how old are you?

    I worked in operations at microsoft for 5 years - MOST of the people I worked with SHOULD have been outsourced to India for 10 bucks a day!

    WHEN you think they're gonna do it to your ass, hot shot?

    never ?? ha ha ha.


    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 08:48:16 PM PDT

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      Wow, you made so many specious comments that it's hard to pick a place to start responding. In fact, it's not even clear what your comment has to do with unions at all. You seem to be trying to pick a fight with libertarianism, rather than responding to my comment.

      I'm not going to get into the history of telecommunications with you, because I think it's at best tangential to the discussion thread.

      Let me summarize what's been said so far:

      You suggested that each nickel of increased wages resulted in $104 extra per year.

      I responded that the dues that union management siphons off of its members is probable more than $100/year.

      You then replied that without unions, I would be making $2/week.

      I responded that my field has no unions, and that I make more than $2/week, so the market must value my labor more than that.

      You then replied with a non sequitur, that I wouldn't have my job without the infrastructure that had been built in this country, and that people before me made "community investments". Then you suggested that most of the people you worked with at Microsoft should have been outsourced to India.

      Wow, you must have been fun to work with! I'm sure most of your colleagues are glad that you're no longer working with them, due to your dim opinions of them.

      As far as when my job will be outsourced, I've never had any guaranteed jobs, so I have always had to improve myself and make myself more attractive to prospective employers. That's called "career development", and it's something that EVERYONE should be doing. I'm sure there's people who are perfectly happy to do the exact same job the exact same way for their entire lives, but that's never been the case for me or anyone I know.

      I am confident that I can (and do!) compete in the job market with people from all over the world. Protectionism only serves to make you weak. Globalization is not going away, and trying to go backwards is a terribly un-progressive mindset.

      At-will employment is a sword that cuts both ways. Sure, the employer can fire you at any time, for any reason. But you can quit, at any time, for any reason. If you play your cards right, this means that you actually have pretty good leverage over your employer.

      I've never put much stock into the old "workers are always oppressed by management because they have no power" bullshit, because I've seen first hand how much power individual workers do have. I think that mindset only serves to disenfranchise workers, playing into the hands of the corrupt union bosses and management itself.

      The only person I trust to look out for my best interests is ME.

      As far as your drivel about my age, I'm not going to dignify that with a response. Your argument must be weak to require ad hominem attacks like that.

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